2025 Trades, TDL and Beyond

[LeftWinger 5,123]

First of all Happy New Year Everyone! I hope 2025 brings you joy, security, money and success!

The Detroit Red Wings are 2-1 under new head coach Todd MacLellan (as of Jan.1, 2025) they sit 10 points out the top 3 in the Atlantic, and 8 points out a wildcard spot. Can they go on a run to catch up? Sure, anything is possible, but in my opinion (after giving a lot of thought to this) they should shed themselves of all the vets they can and start tweaking the team for next season and beyond. That being said, I think it's time to acquire legit NHL talent that is gong to be part of the future Cup winning core here. No longer should we acquire middle draft picks for these players. I am saying package players WITH our draft picks to get talented 26 or under players that will fil the holes in the core. The vets on the table should be Kane, Tarasenko, Chiarot. All draft picks in play (lottery protected for this year) and some prospects. We need players like Dylan Cozens, Bowen Byram (both of whom are rumored to be on the trade block.) If they are too expensive to acquire, we could go looking for a Cup Contender and try to get a player from them, like Edmonton's Matt Savoie. They could use a star forward to help them over the hump. Kane and a pick for Savoie? We do need to solidify the D though. Seider, Edvinsson, ASP are all untouchable and will be 3 of our 6 when all said and done here soon! Would you sacrifice a Buium, Tuomisto or Wallinder for Byram? What would it cost for an upgrade to the fwd group all while staying young? IMO Veleno and Rasmussen should be in play as well. You might be able to swing some deals for an upgrade if you throw in picks along with some above average prospects. Could you pry Sergachev (NTC) out of UTAH for a 1st and prospect? Hoglander from Vancouver?

My point being, I am 100% ok with calling this a season and selling off the vets that we can, but not for 3rd or 4th round picks. We need to package OUR picks with these vets, or prospects and acquire NHL ready players that would help us next year and moving forward.

Swing a huge trade for both Cozens and Byram. Offer Edmonton some playoff help and higher pick for Savoie? Maybe even take on a bad contract so teams can have more space to make bigger deals? Picks and prospects, players for Sergachev? Vancouver needs D help, what about Chiarot, pick, prospect for Hoglander? We need to cleanse the roster, but not for future picks. We need players that fit the timeline, no longer do we need middling draft picks that may never pan out.

What are your thoughts? Who would you trade for upgrades to our NHL roster? There has to a playoff team out there willing to give up something good for a player that gives them a shot at a Cup.

[mackel 760]

I'd trade a lot for Rasmus Anderson.   

[Axl Foley 334]

On 1/1/2025 at 10:45 AM, LeftWinger said:

First of all Happy New Year Everyone! I hope 2025 brings you joy, security, money and success!

The Detroit Red Wings are 2-1 under new head coach Todd MacLellan (as of Jan.1, 2025) they sit 10 points out the top 3 in the Atlantic, and 8 points out a wildcard spot. Can they go on a run to catch up? Sure, anything is possible, but in my opinion (after giving a lot of thought to this) they should shed themselves of all the vets they can and start tweaking the team for next season and beyond. That being said, I think it's time to acquire legit NHL talent that is gong to be part of the future Cup winning core here. No longer should we acquire middle draft picks for these players. I am saying package players WITH our draft picks to get talented 26 or under players that will fil the holes in the core. The vets on the table should be Kane, Tarasenko, Chiarot. All draft picks in play (lottery protected for this year) and some prospects. We need players like Dylan Cozens, Bowen Byram (both of whom are rumored to be on the trade block.) If they are too expensive to acquire, we could go looking for a Cup Contender and try to get a player from them, like Edmonton's Matt Savoie. They could use a star forward to help them over the hump. Kane and a pick for Savoie? We do need to solidify the D though. Seider, Edvinsson, ASP are all untouchable and will be 3 of our 6 when all said and done here soon! Would you sacrifice a Buium, Tuomisto or Wallinder for Byram? What would it cost for an upgrade to the fwd group all while staying young? IMO Veleno and Rasmussen should be in play as well. You might be able to swing some deals for an upgrade if you throw in picks along with some above average prospects. Could you pry Sergachev (NTC) out of UTAH for a 1st and prospect? Hoglander from Vancouver?

My point being, I am 100% ok with calling this a season and selling off the vets that we can, but not for 3rd or 4th round picks. We need to package OUR picks with these vets, or prospects and acquire NHL ready players that would help us next year and moving forward.

Swing a huge trade for both Cozens and Byram. Offer Edmonton some playoff help and higher pick for Savoie? Maybe even take on a bad contract so teams can have more space to make bigger deals? Picks and prospects, players for Sergachev? Vancouver needs D help, what about Chiarot, pick, prospect for Hoglander? We need to cleanse the roster, but not for future picks. We need players that fit the timeline, no longer do we need middling draft picks that may never pan out.

What are your thoughts? Who would you trade for upgrades to our NHL roster? There has to a playoff team out there willing to give up something good for a player that gives them a shot at a Cup.

Cozens is redundant. And you arent getting any serious help on D with Wallinder or Buium or Tuo.

[Axl Foley 334]

On 1/1/2025 at 10:45 AM, LeftWinger said:

First of all Happy New Year Everyone! I hope 2025 brings you joy, security, money and success!

The Detroit Red Wings are 2-1 under new head coach Todd MacLellan (as of Jan.1, 2025) they sit 10 points out the top 3 in the Atlantic, and 8 points out a wildcard spot. Can they go on a run to catch up? Sure, anything is possible, but in my opinion (after giving a lot of thought to this) they should shed themselves of all the vets they can and start tweaking the team for next season and beyond. That being said, I think it's time to acquire legit NHL talent that is gong to be part of the future Cup winning core here. No longer should we acquire middle draft picks for these players. I am saying package players WITH our draft picks to get talented 26 or under players that will fil the holes in the core. The vets on the table should be Kane, Tarasenko, Chiarot. All draft picks in play (lottery protected for this year) and some prospects. We need players like Dylan Cozens, Bowen Byram (both of whom are rumored to be on the trade block.) If they are too expensive to acquire, we could go looking for a Cup Contender and try to get a player from them, like Edmonton's Matt Savoie. They could use a star forward to help them over the hump. Kane and a pick for Savoie? We do need to solidify the D though. Seider, Edvinsson, ASP are all untouchable and will be 3 of our 6 when all said and done here soon! Would you sacrifice a Buium, Tuomisto or Wallinder for Byram? What would it cost for an upgrade to the fwd group all while staying young? IMO Veleno and Rasmussen should be in play as well. You might be able to swing some deals for an upgrade if you throw in picks along with some above average prospects. Could you pry Sergachev (NTC) out of UTAH for a 1st and prospect? Hoglander from Vancouver?

My point being, I am 100% ok with calling this a season and selling off the vets that we can, but not for 3rd or 4th round picks. We need to package OUR picks with these vets, or prospects and acquire NHL ready players that would help us next year and moving forward.

Swing a huge trade for both Cozens and Byram. Offer Edmonton some playoff help and higher pick for Savoie? Maybe even take on a bad contract so teams can have more space to make bigger deals? Picks and prospects, players for Sergachev? Vancouver needs D help, what about Chiarot, pick, prospect for Hoglander? We need to cleanse the roster, but not for future picks. We need players that fit the timeline, no longer do we need middling draft picks that may never pan out.

What are your thoughts? Who would you trade for upgrades to our NHL roster? There has to a playoff team out there willing to give up something good for a player that gives them a shot at a Cup.

Cozens is redundant. And you arent getting any serious help on D with Wallinder or Buium or Tuo.

Also Tank and Chiarot have another year left on their contracts. They arent getting traded to a contender.

And the only pending UFAs with any trade value are Kane and Lyon. And Kane has a NTC.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

The last thing this team needs is more small wingers. No thanks on Savoie and Hoglander.

Sergachev would be a great addition. Can Yzerman acquire him again? What would it cost?

Either way Yzerman needs to make another big swing Debrincat level trade again.

 

Cozens isnt redundant if 1 of our centers is going the other way - Compher and/or Danielson.

[kipwinger 8,749]

Cozens is also not redundant because he’s better than 75% of our forwards. Improvements are not redundant, they’re progress.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

Is Danielson's best case Cozens? Do we think he can get to that level? or beyond?

What is Cozens? Is he the 0.8 pts/g player he was 2 seasons ago? Or is he the 0.5-0.6 pts/g player hes been the past 1.5 seasons?

What would it cost to get him? Danielson + what?

[Axl Foley 334]

45 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Cozens is also not redundant because he’s better than 75% of our forwards. Improvements are not redundant, they’re progress.

Larkin, Kasper, Danielson, Compher. Cozens is just another log on the fire.

2 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Is Danielson's best case Cozens? Do we think he can get to that level? or beyond?

What is Cozens? Is he the 0.8 pts/g player he was 2 seasons ago? Or is he the 0.5-0.6 pts/g player hes been the past 1.5 seasons?

What would it cost to get him? Danielson + what?

I wouldnt trade Danielson for Cozens straight up, let alone add something.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

16 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Larkin, Kasper, Danielson, Compher. Cozens is just another log on the fire.

I wouldnt trade Danielson for Cozens straight up, let alone add something.

So you think Danielson will be better then Cozens? Im skeptical but Id love for Danielson to prove me wrong. To answer my own question above I think Cozens is closer to that 0.8 pts/g then hes playing at right now. If everything goes right for Danielson hes that player. Everything rarely goes right in player development which is why wed have to add.

[kipwinger 8,749]

The point isn't that Cozens is "better". It's how he does what he does. If you put him on the wing he instantly becomes the best power winger on our team. You replace Veleno with Cozens on that top line with Ray and Larkin and he probably scores 40 goals. Heck, put him with Ras and Kasper he probably scores 20+ given how they're generating scoring chances for Motte lately.

Or you put him at center (instead of Compher/Copp/Kasper) and he only gives you moderate production, you're still getting those points out of a big, strong, fast, workhorse. You know who shows up in the playoffs? Big, strong, fast, workhorses.

You need to be able to score in different ways to be a successful team in the playoffs and last time I checked we don't have anyone who profiles the way Cozens does. Unless we've got a 6'3, 205 lbs, right shot forward with scoring ability hiding somewhere?

That said, I'm also very interested in Byram and Kulich so it's not like Cozens is the only thing of value

Edited January 3 by kipwinger

[kipwinger 8,749]

1 hour ago, Axl Foley said:

Larkin, Kasper, Danielson, Compher. Cozens is just another log on the fire.

I wouldnt trade Danielson for Cozens straight up, let alone add something.

We've got about a zillion little wingers, play him there. I want MORE guys like Danielson, Kasper, Edvinsson, Seider, etc. Not fewer. All things being equal it's still harder to defend a guy Cozen's size than Debrincat's.

[Axl Foley 334]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

The point isn't that Cozens is "better". It's how he does what he does. If you put him on the wing he instantly becomes the best power winger on our team. You replace Veleno with Cozens on that top line with Ray and Larkin and he probably scores 40 goals. Heck, put him with Ras and Kasper he probably scores 20+ given how they're generating scoring chances for Motte lately.

Or you put him at center (instead of Compher/Copp/Kasper) and he only gives you moderate production, you're still getting those points out of a big, strong, fast, workhorse. You know who shows up in the playoffs? Big, strong, fast, workhorses.

You need to be able to score in different ways to be a successful team in the playoffs and last time I checked we don't have anyone who profiles the way Cozens does. Unless we've got a 6'3, 205 lbs, right shot forward with scoring ability hiding somewhere?

That said, I'm also very interested in Byram and Kulich so it's not like Cozens is the only thing of value

Byram would fill a bigger need imo. LH top 4 D.

3 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

So you think Danielson will be better then Cozens? Im skeptical but Id love for Danielson to prove me wrong. To answer my own question above I think Cozens is closer to that 0.8 pts/g then hes playing at right now. If everything goes right for Danielson hes that player. Everything rarely goes right in player development which is why wed have to add.

I dont know that he will be better than Cozens, but I am not trading away a guy with Nate's potential. We know what Cozens is, and I am putting faith in our scouts and GM that Danielson is our guy.

[kipwinger 8,749]

53 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Byram would fill a bigger need imo. LH top 4 D.

I dont know that he will be better than Cozens, but I am not trading away a guy with Nate's potential. We know what Cozens is, and I am putting faith in our scouts and GM that Danielson is our guy.

Preach. I've been saying all along I'd like one of three guys. I'm not going to turn my nose up at a Byram trade, I'm just a little surprised you kinda are about Cozens? I mean, Byram "is what he is" too right? I think they're both good, talented, young players with a reasonable amount of upside left. I'd love to see what McClellan could do with a big, fast, center though, considering he's coached a bunch of similar type guys in SJ, EDM, and LAK.

Edited January 3 by kipwinger

[mackel 760]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

Preach. I've been saying all along I'd like one of three guys. I'm not going to turn my nose up at a Byram trade, I'm just a little surprised you kinda are about Cozens? I mean, Byram "is what he is" too right? I think they're both good, talented, young players with a reasonable amount of upside left. I'd love to see what McClellan could do with a big, fast, center though, considering he's coached a bunch of similar type guys in SJ, EDM, and LAK.

I agree we need a forward, preferably a center but I'll take a winger in the mold of Shanahan.

Skilled but with toughness and snarl... that'll be hard to find, can't really think of a non Tkachuk example right now.

[kipwinger 8,749]

3 hours ago, mackel said:

I agree we need a forward, preferably a center but I'll take a winger in the mold of Shanahan.

Skilled but with toughness and snarl... that'll be hard to find, can't really think of a non Tkachuk example right now.

Lawson Crouse fits that mold to some extent. He’s a guy I’ve been keeping an eye on. 

[LeftWinger 5,123]

Cozins is everything Rasmussen was supposed to be, IMO. 

Also, I don't wanna see Danielson traded. I'd rather see a 1st traded.

[kipwinger 8,749]

Dude Rasmussen is a workhorse. I get that you hoped he’d have more offense, but he’s a good player. He’s this team’s Lapointe. Literally nobody complained about Lapointe just because he didn’t score like Yzerman, Fedorov, or Shanny. He plays hard minutes and wins his shifts. 

Edited January 5 by kipwinger

[mackel 760]

21 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Lawson Crouse fits that mold to some extent. He’s a guy I’ve been keeping an eye on. 

I like that idea!

What would we need to trade to get Elias Pettersson?

Kasper, Berggren, 2025 2nd, 2026 1st ?

That's probably light but I'd not include a premium prospect like Danielson, ASP, Cossa, Augustine. 

 

[kipwinger 8,749]

Pettersson is a candyass. I’m not a fan. Of the two I’d rather have JT Miller. 

[Motor City Mullets 302]

5 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Dude Rasmussen is a workhorse. I get that you hoped he’d have more offense, but he’s a good player. He’s this team’s Lapointe. Literally nobody completed about Lapointe just because he wasn’t Yzerman, Fedorov, or Shanny. 

My only beef is Rasmountain doesn't play to his size, but then again he isn't alone considering this been a concern with the entire team since Blashill and then Lalonde were coaching...Everyone looks better since McLellan took over...Tonight against the Jets will be a good test.

Edited January 5 by Motor City Mullets

[kipwinger 8,749]

Get Ras and Kasper a shooting winger with some grit, like Miles Wood. He’d have 20 goals with all the chances they generate. 

[kipwinger 8,749]

Very big win. Larkin and Seider were horses. 

[Rick D 390]

On 1/4/2025 at 12:33 PM, kipwinger said:

Literally nobody complained about Lapointe just because he didn’t score like Yzerman, Fedorov, or Shanny. He plays hard minutes and wins his shifts. 

We didn't complain that Lapointe didn't score Because we already had all of those other guys doing it. My complaint about Ras is that he isn't living up to expectations, I hoped he would be more like a Franzen when we drafted him. 

[kipwinger 8,749]

18 minutes ago, Rick D said:

We didn't complain that Lapointe didn't score Because we already had all of those other guys doing it. My complaint about Ras is that he isn't living up to expectations, I hoped he would be more like a Franzen when we drafted him. 

That was never his game in juniors so I think it was an unreasonable expectation. He wasn’t some dominant junior player picking corners against Junior goalies. He wasn’t a Mantha. You could argue he profiled as a Brady Tkachuk/ Val Nichushkin type, and he hasn’t been that offensive, or that physical. But Lalonde asked them to carry quite a defensive workload. Let’s see where his offense is at the end of this year. 

[Jimmybigrigs69 354]

6 hours ago, kipwinger said:

That was never his game in juniors so I think it was an unreasonable expectation. He wasn’t some dominant junior player picking corners against Junior goalies. He wasn’t a Mantha. You could argue he profiled as a Brady Tkachuk/ Val Nichushkin type, and he hasn’t been that offensive, or that physical. But Lalonde asked them to carry quite a defensive workload. Let’s see where his offense is at the end of this year. 

In juniors Ras was front net nightmare for tri cities. Hes really only been used that way on random occassion here...IMO every Wings coach has stunted him. He should have been a 4th line forward with PP time when he first came here. Theyve developed him into a decent PKer... but its classic round hole square peg crap. Hes not physical for his size because he's an O minded player. Im fine with him taking PK duty, but kid should have been learning holmstrom duties 300 seasons ago. Amazing how mismanaged this player has been. Hes never going to be cal clutterbuck. His game is being annoyingly large and able to pot rebounds. So lets make him kill penalties. Frustrating.