kipwinger 8,751 Report post Posted December 11, 2024 I'm screwing with some Canucks fans on Reddit and I thought I'd bring the debate to you guys (minus all the trolling). We all know how hard it is to win the Cup right? Like, excruciatingly hard! Like, you have to win over and over and over...sixteen times. And usually you have to play through insane injuries that take literal years off your career sometimes? And it usually requires some desperate, otherworldly, effort on a random penalty kill or checking line matchup to win? And the other guys you're playing are just as desperate to win, so there's almost nothing they won't do to you to lift the Cup? It's insaaaaaaaane how hard it is to win the Cup. That's what we all love about the NHL right? Now tell me that a team who's best players are Quinn Hughes and Elias Petterrson is going to win the Cup? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 366 Report post Posted December 11, 2024 2 hours ago, kipwinger said: Now tell me that a team who's best players are Quinn Hughes and Elias Petterrson is going to win the Cup? So you're implying Hughes and Pettersson are not good enough or tough enough to go all the way to a cup? IDK really. Those 2 seems pretty good to me. Rest of the team after them i dont care for. Pius Suter scoting like a top 6er i see lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,751 Report post Posted December 12, 2024 30 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said: So you're implying Hughes and Pettersson are not good enough or tough enough to go all the way to a cup? IDK really. Those 2 seems pretty good to me. Rest of the team after them i dont care for. Pius Suter scoting like a top 6er i see lol I don’t disagree that they score a lot. I don’t think they’re tough enough to make the kinds of winning plays it takes to lift the Cup. I feel the same way about the Leafs stars, the other Hughes brothers, etc. they all score a zillion points and get beat in the playoffs. Whoopdie doo! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 366 Report post Posted December 12, 2024 10 hours ago, kipwinger said: I don’t disagree that they score a lot. I don’t think they’re tough enough to make the kinds of winning plays it takes to lift the Cup. I feel the same way about the Leafs stars, the other Hughes brothers, etc. they all score a zillion points and get beat in the playoffs. Whoopdie doo! Prolly could say the same of Ray and Larkin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,751 Report post Posted December 12, 2024 1 hour ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said: Prolly could say the same of Ray and Larkin Maybe, but nobody is talking about Ray or Larkin for the Hart Trophy like they are for Hughes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,751 Report post Posted December 12, 2024 A team built around MacKinnon, Barkov, Tkachuk, and Draisaitl would absolutely f*ck up a team built around McDavid, Matthews, Bedard, and Jack Hughes and everybody knows it? Wanna know why? Because size and speed and toughness matter in hockey. No team who's best player is a pansy is going to win squat when the league is full of guys just as skilled as you are but who are 6'5 and 220bls. McDavid had two secondary assists in the four games Edmonton lost to Florida in the finals. A better team with better players shut the supposed "best player in the world" down for four games and took the Cup. There's absolutely no universe where I'll ever think one of those players in the latter group is the "best player in the world". I don't care if they score 200 points, they'll never win without Messier...because he's the best player in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 366 Report post Posted December 13, 2024 Do i need to deliver the obvious? Larkin and Ray SUCK ASS compared to McDavid, Matthews, Bedard, and Hughes. So is your point our rebuild wont win dick? Cause i agree. But it seems a liltle regarded IMO to s*** on other teams teams short comingings when we have worse players... but hey thats just me. If you hadnt noticed, it aint 98 or even 08 anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted January 3 On 12/11/2024 at 3:58 PM, kipwinger said: I'm screwing with some Canucks fans on Reddit and I thought I'd bring the debate to you guys (minus all the trolling). We all know how hard it is to win the Cup right? Like, excruciatingly hard! Like, you have to win over and over and over...sixteen times. And usually you have to play through insane injuries that take literal years off your career sometimes? And it usually requires some desperate, otherworldly, effort on a random penalty kill or checking line matchup to win? And the other guys you're playing are just as desperate to win, so there's almost nothing they won't do to you to lift the Cup? It's insaaaaaaaane how hard it is to win the Cup. That's what we all love about the NHL right? Now tell me that a team who's best players are Quinn Hughes and Elias Petterrson is going to win the Cup? Sedins 2.0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,751 Report post Posted January 3 (edited) 11 hours ago, Axl Foley said: Sedins 2.0 Agreed. These dudes feast on bad teams in the regular season and disappear in the playoffs. Here's a few fun facts about playoff hockey. Over the last ten years, teams with more hits than their playoff opponents during the regular season have won less than 50% of the postseason series. The same is true with higher penalty minute totals and a roster with a larger average weight. These results have changed in the last five years. Teams with advantages from these measures have won between 52.00 and 53.33% of the series since 2019-20. The last ten Stanley Cup winners are usually more physically imposing than their competition. They’ve had a size advantage and a higher hit total than their opponents in 55% of their series. Those numbers have jumped to 70% and 65% for the last five champions. Six of the last seven champions have had a size advantage over their opponents in the Stanley Cup Finals, including the 2023-24 Florida Panthers, who led the NHL in hits and penalty minutes during the regular season. The average projected Offensive Rating in the league among regulars (anyone above 41 games) is plus-1.2. Take out the league’s likely non-playoff teams and that almost doubles to plus-2.0. Plot every player side by side from best to worst and it’s plain to see there’s a sizeable discrepancy between an average playoff and non-playoff team. That’s especially true at the top end where every playoff team has a big-time threat to match up against. The average Offensive Rating for a top-50 playoff player is plus-14.1, nearly five goals higher than the average non-playoff player at plus-9.7. Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5386347/2024/04/03/nhl-playoffs-quality-of-competition/ https://rg.org/research/sports-data-analysis/nhl-physicality-and-playoff-success Edited January 3 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted January 3 95 and 96 Wings teams were soft too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,751 Report post Posted January 3 59 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: 95 and 96 Wings teams were soft too. Agreed. I don't think it's a mystery that once we moved on from guys like Coffey, Sheppard, Primeau, and Sillinger and moved in the Shanahans, McCartys, Lapointes, etc. we became a better playoff team. And having a veteran goalie too. But I don't think I really appreciated how hard it was to win until I got older and had seen what it takes year after year. You can sacrifice some offense in the name of toughness if you're keeping Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom anyway. This is why the Toronto and Edmonton thing baffles me so much. They clearly have enough offense to sacrifice some in the name of defense and two-way guys. But they STILL believe they can outscore a more physical, better defensive, team in the playoffs despite it failing year after year after year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 366 Report post Posted January 7 On 1/3/2025 at 1:17 PM, kipwinger said: Agreed. I don't think it's a mystery that once we moved on from guys like Coffey, Sheppard, Primeau, and Sillinger and moved in the Shanahans, McCartys, Lapointes, etc. we became a better playoff team. And having a veteran goalie too. But I don't think I really appreciated how hard it was to win until I got older and had seen what it takes year after year. You can sacrifice some offense in the name of toughness if you're keeping Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom anyway. This is why the Toronto and Edmonton thing baffles me so much. They clearly have enough offense to sacrifice some in the name of defense and two-way guys. But they STILL believe they can outscore a more physical, better defensive, team in the playoffs despite it failing year after year after year. Wings literally had one of the highest scoring offenses and one of the worst defenses last year... You: "haha stupid edmonton and toronto think they can outscore there problems" Im never going to stop thinking its pathetic to mock teams who are clearly better than your own. HEY WINGS BROS EDMONTON WHO WAS IN YHE SCF LAST YEAR IS DUMB RIGGHT? HAHA RIGHT? Take a vitamin or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,842 Report post Posted January 7 6 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said: Wings literally had one of the highest scoring offenses and one of the worst defenses last year... You: "haha stupid edmonton and toronto think they can outscore there problems" Im never going to stop thinking its pathetic to mock teams who are clearly better than your own. HEY WINGS BROS EDMONTON WHO WAS IN YHE SCF LAST YEAR IS DUMB RIGGHT? HAHA RIGHT? Take a vitamin or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted January 7 7 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said: Wings literally had one of the highest scoring offenses and one of the worst defenses last year... You: "haha stupid edmonton and toronto think they can outscore there problems" Im never going to stop thinking its pathetic to mock teams who are clearly better than your own. HEY WINGS BROS EDMONTON WHO WAS IN YHE SCF LAST YEAR IS DUMB RIGGHT? HAHA RIGHT? Take a vitamin or something. It's ok to point out the glaring deficiencies that Edmonton and Toronto have regardless of who your team is.. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 366 Report post Posted January 8 On 1/7/2025 at 6:16 AM, Axl Foley said: It's ok to point out the glaring deficiencies that Edmonton and Toronto have regardless of who your team is.. Because it's so simple to build a competant defense. Which is why the Wings definately havent failed to do so for over a decade and counting. You black and call pots kettles too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted January 9 8 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said: Because it's so simple to build a competant defense. Which is why the Wings definately havent failed to do so for over a decade and counting. You black and call pots kettles too? Doesnt being black also make it easier to recognize something else black? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 366 Report post Posted January 9 40 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: Doesnt being black also make it easier to recognize something else black? Right. Thats how i know ur regarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
