Tank

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

I dont want the god damn 14th pick thats gonna take 5 years to become a 3rd liner.  Either fire the SCAM or go after #1.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,089]

bump

[kipwinger 8,671]

The bright spots on this team are the young guys and Larkin. I'd be fine with trading our UFAs and getting a high pick if we can't turn something around by the deadline. But I don't think it's a good thing for a competitive sports organization to TRY for losing seasons. Ice the best possible team you can ice right now, and if that team continues to fail, then trade what's not nailed down and start again next year with a new cast I guess.

Edited November 18 by kipwinger

[Rick D 371]

8 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

The bright spots on this team are the young guys and Larkin. I'd be fine with trading our UFAs and getting a high pick if we can't turn something around by the deadline. But I don't think it's a good thing for a competitive sports organization to TRY for losing seasons. Ice the best possible team you and ice right now, and if that team continues to fail, then trade what's not nailed down and start again next year with a new cast I guess.

Again...

[kipwinger 8,671]

30 minutes ago, Rick D said:

Again...

I'm probably on an island here with this take, but I'm actually not too upset with the trajectory of the team. Like everyone else, I wish things were turning around sooner but I do see plenty of reasons for optimism. Our drafting since SY took over has been excellent and I like the profile of player that SY is bringing into the organization. I also think Grand Rapids' success last season and this season (so far) is a sign of things to come. I think adding Danielson, Kasper, ASP, Cossa, MBN, etc. is going to round out the organization and make us really competitive...as soon as a majority of those guys graduate to the Red Wings.

Until then I'd like to see the team ice a competitive roster and have quality locker room veterans in place to teach these kids how to train and play properly. I don't want to see guys like Kane and Tarasenko coming in and ruining a culture of accountability and hard work with their laisslaiez faire two way play and unwillingness to fight for the puck. Last season, pre-Kane, we had a team that worked hard, hounded pucks, played fast and in straight lines. Now we look like we want to be hockey's Harlem Globetrotters and play softie hockey and I hate it. I'd rather have Mazur on the team than half our wingers, and I'll be thrilled when our "skill" guys are Berggren and Lombardi and not Kane and Tarasenko types.

[LeftWinger 5,065]

We do it right.

Waive Chiarot, Petry, Holl, Husso, and never recall them again. Upgrade Buium and Wallinder

Trade Veleno and Rasmussen for Fowler. Upgrade Danielson and Mazur and Watson for the depth.

 

Ya, that's a lot of LHD, but we've been there before. I'd rather watch this lineup play, than the stinky one we have today.

[kipwinger 8,671]

It's getting really hard to tell the difference between the spam posts and @Scott R Lucidi posts. Either Scott is becoming a cyborg or being on the internet too much makes you retarded.

[kipwinger 8,671]

Don't look now but Dmitri Buchelnikov is third (1 point off the lead) in KHL scoring. Say what you want about long term projects that take a few years to develop, but I'm pretty happy to have this dude coming at some point in the next couple years. He's on that Kuztnesov/Kaprizov/Buchnevich developmental arch so we should be getting a pretty polished offensive player when he finally comes over.

Edited November 18 by kipwinger

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

3 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Don't look now but Dmitri Buchelnikov is third (1 point off the lead) in KHL scoring. Say what you want about long term projects that take a few years to develop, but I'm pretty happy to have this dude coming at some point in the next couple years. He's on that Kuztnesov/Kaprizov/Buchnevich developmental arch so we should be getting a pretty polished offensive player when he finally comes over.

You might as well be posting "there's a third grader that just got his first shift in pee wee hockey".  The SCAM will not play our talent, so it doesn't even matter really.  Is he good?  Will he be good?  Can he be good?  Doesn't matter.  We have totally incompetent GM and a stoolie coach that will always play old, slow, degenerate throwaways of other teams before our draft picks, so it just DOESN'T MATTER.

[town123 212]

3 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Don't look now but Dmitri Buchelnikov is third (1 point off the lead) in KHL scoring. Say what you want about long term projects that take a few years to develop, but I'm pretty happy to have this dude coming at some point in the next couple years. He's on that Kuztnesov/Kaprizov/Buchnevich developmental arch so we should be getting a pretty polished offensive player when he finally comes over.

Hey.  If in two years he's part of the ASP, Danielson, Lombardi and MBN wave I'll be happy. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

50 minutes ago, town123 said:

Hey.  If in two years he's part of the ASP, Danielson, Lombardi and MBN wave I'll be happy. 

If this wave takes 2 more years, then we're PERMANENTLY F U C K E D, just to let you know.  I don't know why everybody seems to think Dylan Larkin is going to be playing at this level forever.  He's in the MIDDLE of his prime right now.  Not entering it.  We need to win NOW.  Not in 3 years.  Not in 4 years.  NOW.  Not trying to s h e t on your parade, @town123 - but this mentality of giving the SCAM 15 years to get a team together is complete CRAP.  In 15 years, you know what we're going to have?  15 players drafted in the 1st round between pick 11 and pick 20.  NO THANKS.  

[town123 212]

On 11/18/2024 at 6:41 PM, Scott R Lucidi said:

If this wave takes 2 more years, then we're PERMANENTLY F U C K E D, just to let you know.  I don't know why everybody seems to think Dylan Larkin is going to be playing at this level forever.  He's in the MIDDLE of his prime right now.  Not entering it.  We need to win NOW.  Not in 3 years.  Not in 4 years.  NOW.  Not trying to s h e t on your parade, @town123 - but this mentality of giving the SCAM 15 years to get a team together is complete CRAP.  In 15 years, you know what we're going to have?  15 players drafted in the 1st round between pick 11 and pick 20.  NO THANKS.  

Take it easy West Coast.   I don't want you to confuse our drafting with our FA signings and coaching choices.   SY- good drafting and SY- crappy FA signings for the most part.

GR has a good developmental coach that evaluates the kids there pretty honestly.   The waves of kids coming will take the spots of everyone you're crapping on.   Patience grasshopper.

We need to jetison some folks at the TDL if possible, including Kane (ntc) and anyone that sucks on the defence and probably Talbot as well.   

[LeftWinger 5,065]

With the (maybe true) news that Yzerman wanted to give Stamkos 4yrs $8M AAV but Ilitch never "got back" to him, what does that make you think about Chris Ilitch? I guess the story goes Yzerman was given the OK to offer him 3yrs $8M, then when Nashville offered 4, Yzerman told Stamkos that he will give him 4 as well, as long as ownership ok's it. Supposedly he called Ilitch and told him he could get Stamkos here for 4 years, Ilitch said he'd get back to him, but never did, and thus Stamkos went to Nashville.

Two things:

1. Chris Ilitch is SOOOOO NOT Mike Ilitch. Mr. I would've said give him 5 years!

2. Would you have even wanted a 38 year old Stamkos here for 4 years at $8M? Would we be doing better?

 

...also, like said above, if we're going to tank, I'd rather tank with the kids up here. Dump the vets, bring up the kids! Fire Lalonde though, we need a fresh coaching staff with NEW philosophies, IMO.

[kipwinger 8,671]

Just what we needed, another aged vet with nothing to play for. Stamkos is on pace for 45 points. Hard pass. Bullet dodged.

 

[diehardredwingsfan58 157]

On 11/18/2024 at 10:27 AM, LeftWinger said:

We do it right.

Waive Chiarot, Petry, Holl, Husso, and never recall them again. Upgrade Buium and Wallinder

Trade Veleno and Rasmussen for Fowler. Upgrade Danielson and Mazur and Watson for the depth.

 

Ya, that's a lot of LHD, but we've been there before. I'd rather watch this lineup play, than the stinky one we have today.

You can't waive Petry since he has a NMC, Trade him to a team of his choice in the east.

[Axl Foley 320]

On 11/18/2024 at 1:44 PM, kipwinger said:

Don't look now but Dmitri Buchelnikov is third (1 point off the lead) in KHL scoring. Say what you want about long term projects that take a few years to develop, but I'm pretty happy to have this dude coming at some point in the next couple years. He's on that Kuztnesov/Kaprizov/Buchnevich developmental arch so we should be getting a pretty polished offensive player when he finally comes over.

My biggest concern with him is that he never sets foot on North American ice.

On 11/25/2024 at 6:12 PM, LeftWinger said:

With the (maybe true) news that Yzerman wanted to give Stamkos 4yrs $8M AAV but Ilitch never "got back" to him, what does that make you think about Chris Ilitch? I guess the story goes Yzerman was given the OK to offer him 3yrs $8M, then when Nashville offered 4, Yzerman told Stamkos that he will give him 4 as well, as long as ownership ok's it. Supposedly he called Ilitch and told him he could get Stamkos here for 4 years, Ilitch said he'd get back to him, but never did, and thus Stamkos went to Nashville.

Two things:

1. Chris Ilitch is SOOOOO NOT Mike Ilitch. Mr. I would've said give him 5 years!

2. Would you have even wanted a 38 year old Stamkos here for 4 years at $8M? Would we be doing better?

 

...also, like said above, if we're going to tank, I'd rather tank with the kids up here. Dump the vets, bring up the kids! Fire Lalonde though, we need a fresh coaching staff with NEW philosophies, IMO.

You cannot micromanage your GM. Its ridiculous if true.

[LeftWinger 5,065]

2 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

My biggest concern with him is that he never sets foot on North American ice.

You cannot micromanage your GM. Its ridiculous if true.

If it is true, we are in trouble!

[Axl Foley 320]

On 11/25/2024 at 5:23 PM, town123 said:

Take it easy West Coast.   I don't want you to confuse our drafting with our FA signings and coaching choices.   SY- good drafting and SY- crappy FA signings for the most part.

GR has a good developmental coach that evaluates the kids there pretty honestly.   The waves of kids coming will take the spots of everyone you're crapping on.   Patience grasshopper.

We need to jetison some folks at the TDL if possible, including Kane (ntc) and anyone that sucks on the defence and probably Talbot as well.   

Yeah. I dont know why people think you can rebuild an entire team in 5 years, when you hopefully get 2 guys, 3 if lucky, per draft that even make it to the NHL, let alone become solid contributors.

[LeftWinger 5,065]

I believe down deep that Zegras would flourish here. I think Yzerman should entertain a trade for him and Fowler. Then I'd even entertain trading Chiarot for Trouba. In the 2 more years of their contracts, ASP will be more than ready to go! Fowler and Trouba are better than Chiarot and Petry, IMO.