stephen-gregory-yzerman 133 Report post Posted January 10 Compher, Kiiskinen, 1st (top 10 protected) for Cozens. Who says no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 337 Report post Posted January 10 TF we want Cozens so bad? Kid Ssss Dddd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 225 Report post Posted January 10 3 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: Compher, Kiiskinen, 1st (top 10 protected) for Cozens. Who says no? I think that's pretty fair. Buffalo may want Biuim or Tumo thrown in as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,742 Report post Posted January 10 1 hour ago, town123 said: I think that's pretty fair. Buffalo may want Biuim or Tumo thrown in as well. I agree that the value is in the correct ballpark, but these kinds of trades rarely have more than two prospects thrown in. I'd imagine it would be Kiiskinen OR Buium/Tuomisto/Wallinder. Not both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 758 Report post Posted January 11 That Edvinsson-Johansson pair looks like it could be a legit 2nd pair... if so we really only need a Chairot replacement to solidify our top pair and suddenly you have a sheltered 3rd pair spot to break in ASP with a defensive vet. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 337 Report post Posted January 11 Absolute no to giving away kiskinen And for the 978th time chiarot is going nowhere. Say it again. Say it should happen but yzerman unfortunately disagrees with u. ITS NOT HAPPENING. say something interesting for once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 225 Report post Posted January 11 NHLTrade rumours - grain of salt Detroit Red Wings receive: J.T. Miller and Nils Höglander Vancouver Canucks receive: William Wallinder, J.T. Compher, and Nate Danielson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,742 Report post Posted January 11 3 hours ago, town123 said: NHLTrade rumours - grain of salt Detroit Red Wings receive: J.T. Miller and Nils Höglander Vancouver Canucks receive: William Wallinder, J.T. Compher, and Nate Danielson Seems dubious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted January 11 4 hours ago, town123 said: NHLTrade rumours - grain of salt Detroit Red Wings receive: J.T. Miller and Nils Höglander Vancouver Canucks receive: William Wallinder, J.T. Compher, and Nate Danielson the opposite of a rebuild Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 225 Report post Posted January 11 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: Seems dubious. Indubitably 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,742 Report post Posted January 11 JT Miller is the s***, but that contract is horrible. I want him to go to the Capitals. That would be entertaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,110 Report post Posted January 12 8 hours ago, town123 said: NHLTrade rumours - grain of salt Detroit Red Wings receive: J.T. Miller and Nils Höglander Vancouver Canucks receive: William Wallinder, J.T. Compher, and Nate Danielson Seems like an overpayment. Danielson is worth more of a return. Hogländer does, but Miller doesn't fit our timeline. Plus he's at $8M for 3 more years and he's 31. Id rather go with Cozens. I'd take Höglander though. Plus Miller has a full NMC he'd have to waive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 164 Report post Posted January 12 On 1/11/2025 at 12:17 PM, town123 said: NHLTrade rumours - grain of salt Detroit Red Wings receive: J.T. Miller and Nils Höglander Vancouver Canucks receive: William Wallinder, J.T. Compher, and Nate Danielson No thanks, Miller has a NMC and I doubt he waives for Detroit. And I don't want to trade Nate Danielson for an aging JT Miller. Plus I doubt that JT Compher waives for Canada. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 133 Report post Posted January 13 On 1/11/2025 at 1:47 PM, town123 said: NHLTrade rumours - grain of salt Detroit Red Wings receive: J.T. Miller and Nils Höglander Vancouver Canucks receive: William Wallinder, J.T. Compher, and Nate Danielson Bad trade for a rebuilding team. Miller contract isnt great. Hoglander sucks. If were trading Danielson it better be for a much younger target like Cozens. How much would it cost to get Provorov out of Cbj? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,110 Report post Posted January 13 (edited) Team is playing great right now, so it's hard to say we need "X" changes. They're fired up right now. It's tough to upset chemistry, but Yzerman best not avoid making improvements again this TDL like last. You could kinda tell the guys looked disappointed that nothing was done last year to help them stay in the playoff picture. It seems Gustavsson and Holl have new life under Yawny, but if Yzerman could add a legit top 4 guy, he should. Andersson comes to mind, but I'm not sure if Calgary is shopping him. Also, what's the time frame for ASP to get here? You don't want too good of a RHD that would suppress his arrival. If we acquired Andersson, we wouldn't want to let him go. He would help immediately on the right side on the 2nd pairing, but neither him nor ASP are 3rd pairing. Although having 3 pairs of legit top 4 players wouldn't be a bad thing. Up front things seem to be perfect right now, but again, I think Yzerman should be looking to make it better. Hoglander doesn't suck, but he's not top 6 talent right now. But IMO in 2-3 years, we'll wish we had acquired him when it wouldn't be costly. I feel the same about Matt Savoie. Get these guys now and reap the huge rewards later. Obviously there isn't going to be a windfall of trades for us this season (although Höglander and Savioe wouldn't cost much) but if within this TDL and next, we could acquire Andersson, Byram, Cozens, Höglander, and Savoie, we'd be sitting pretty for the now, and the future. I'm not against trading draft capital, Veleno, Rasmussen, Berggren, or some prospects. I an against trading Danielson or Kasper though. Just my opinion.... Edited January 13 by LeftWinger 2 kipwinger and AtlantaHotWings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,742 Report post Posted January 13 I do agree that the team seemed deflated after the deadline last year. Management neither committed to rebuilding nor gave the team any help chasing the playoffs. Yzerman's "trades are expensive" excuse fell flat when we tied with Washington. Were there any moves he could have made that would have helped us land ONE point? Seems likely. We have a glaring hole on the 2nd defensive pair that needs addressed. In addition to that I'd like to see ASP get a chance down the stretch on the 3rd pair. Outside of that I'm not going to turn my nose up at a 2C, but lately it seems like we don't need that as much as it seemed to me before now. Maybe run with what we have there so that we don't lose assets in a trade and then just promote Kasper or Danielson a year from now. So maybe a quality LHD? Provorov, Byram, someone like that? Chiarot-Seider Edvinsson-Johansson Provorov/Byram-ASP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 1,119 Report post Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, kipwinger said: I do agree that the team seemed deflated after the deadline last year. Management neither committed to rebuilding nor gave the team any help chasing the playoffs. Yzerman's "trades are expensive" excuse fell flat when we tied with Washington. Were there any moves he could have made that would have helped us land ONE point? Seems likely. Had they simply had a record of 6-6-2(14 pts) vs 3-9-2(8pts) they would have been in without help. Not being an Yzerman slappie but the March slide IMHO was on the coaching staff not rallying the troops before/after the deadline. Could moves have helped perhaps but just playing 50/50 hockey would have had us in and the rope might have been longer for Derek due to the playoff run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,742 Report post Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said: Had they simply had a record of 6-6-2(14 pts) vs 3-9-2(8pts) they would have been in without help. Not being an Yzerman slappie but the March slide IMHO was on the coaching staff not rallying the troops before/after the deadline. Could moves have helped perhaps but just playing 50/50 hockey would have had us in and the rope might have been longer for Derek due to the playoff run. Totally agree, but there were obvious holes in our lineup a year ago that needed patched down the stretch. Yes we blew an 8 point lead, but we'd been playing inconsistently all season. We had an awful December AND March, but were really really good in November and Jan/Feb. We needed center help when Larkin was out with injury and we needed goaltending help when everyone was hurt and Riemer was our "starter". Either of those things should have landed us the single extra point necessary to make the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 133 Report post Posted January 13 1 hour ago, LeftWinger said: Up front things seem to be perfect right now, but again, I think Yzerman should be looking to make it better. Hoglander doesn't suck, but he's not top 6 talent right now. But IMO in 2-3 years, we'll wish we had acquired him when it wouldn't be costly. I feel the same about Matt Savoie. Get these guys now and reap the huge rewards later. Obviously there isn't going to be a windfall of trades for us this season (although Höglander and Savioe wouldn't cost much) but if within this TDL and next, we could acquire Andersson, Byram, Cozens, Höglander, and Savoie, we'd be sitting pretty for the now, and the future. I'm not against trading draft capital, Veleno, Rasmussen, Berggren, or some prospects. I an against trading Danielson or Kasper though. Just my opinion.... This team needs to get bigger on the wings not smaller especially if they have any playoff aspirations. You cant have Raymond, DeBrincat, Kane, Berggren, Motte, Hoglander/Savoie on the wings if you want to have success in the playoffs. Ras and Veleno are more valuable to this team in a bottom 6 role then either those players imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,742 Report post Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: This team needs to get bigger on the wings not smaller especially if they have any playoff aspirations. You cant have Raymond, DeBrincat, Kane, Berggren, Motte, Hoglander/Savoie on the wings if you want to have success in the playoffs. Ras and Veleno are more valuable to this team in a bottom 6 role then either those players imo. 100% agree. Matt Savoie is genuinely no better than Amadeus Lombardi. He’s just always going to be talked about more because he’s a 1st round pick, but I think the blush is off his rose after spending a zillion years in the Canadian Juniors without getting appreciably better. Hard pass. 1 stephen-gregory-yzerman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 225 Report post Posted January 21 Yeah! Sodapop called up from GR today. 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,110 Report post Posted January 21 (edited) On 1/21/2025 at 5:03 PM, town123 said: Yeah! Sodapop called up from GR today. Seems like he's in for Veleno? I don't see Veleno in this lineup...injured? about to be traded? Edited February 3 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 225 Report post Posted January 21 I think Elmer is up covering Motte while Fischer is in for Veleno? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,110 Report post Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, town123 said: I think Elmer is up covering Motte while Fischer is in for Veleno? Ya, Veleno is a bust. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 758 Report post Posted January 22 5 hours ago, LeftWinger said: Ya, Veleno is a bust. I think our bottom 6 gets a bigtime remodel in the off season. Ras and Burgers can stay Copp can just die... etc 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
