Axl Foley 320 Report post Posted June 10 1 hour ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: Thats a bad trade to get rid of a bad contract and Chiarot isnt even a bad contract. Regardless what people online say Chias a good bottom 4 dman. Yzerman likes him Lalonde likes him and hes well liked in the room. Hes not going anywhere but if Y did decide to move him he could easily retain and get an asset not give up an asset. So you want to run it back with basically the same team with somehow a worse d and pay a premium to get rid of a dmen that is better then 4 other dmen on the team. Husso when healthy is way better then Reimer. The D would not be worse. Replacing Chiarot with Edvinsson is not a downgrade defensively. Offense from defense would be less, but that would be from losing Ghostibehere, not Chiarot. And I am not a Chiarot hater, but that 4+ whatever it is he is making could be better spent, IMO. And the biggest loss will be at F. Sprong's 18 goals/43 points and Kane's 20 goals/47 points (75 points pro rated for a whole season) and Perron's 17 goals/47 points are not going to be replaced by Berggren and bringing up a couple of kids. If trading down in the first allows me to free up some cap space to bring back proven offense, that's better than drafting a kid who wont be on the roster for 3-4 years anyway if he pans out at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 347 Report post Posted June 11 On 6/9/2024 at 6:20 PM, Axl Foley said: Unpopular GM plan: Trade 15th and Chiarot for a late teen or 20s pick. Use savings to re-sign Kane, Perron, and Fischer at 10 million. Bring up Kasper, Edvinsson, and either Mazur or Soderblom. 3 roster spots, less than 3 million spent. Leaves 21 million (if my math is right) to re-sign RFAs: Seider. Raymond. Veleno, Berggren, Johansson 2024 roster: 1st F line: DeBrincat-Larkin-Kane 2nd F line: Fabbri/Berggren-Compher-Ray 3rd F line: Rasmussen-Copp-Fischer/Perron 4th F line: Fabbri/Berggren- Veleno- Mazur/Soderblom/Kasper 1st D: Walman-Seider 2nd D: Edvinsson-Holl 3rd D: Maatta-Petry 7th: Johansson G: Husso/Lyon And if Yzerman can squeeze blood from a turnip: re-sign Reimer and demote Husso to GR. Chiarot is literally the best Dman on this team behind Seider. He isn't on the trade block. On 6/9/2024 at 6:59 PM, mackel said: I'd only consider a move down to trade Copp not Chiarot. Copp is an anchor, Chiarot is serviceable. Copp has done extremely well here based on what he's been asked to do. Himself and Newsy both admitted he was awarded the contract and asked to play a secondry shutddown role, instead of beiing a go to guy. I'm not sure you realize the amount of help that gave Larkin this year... Ras-Copp-Fischer is probably my fav line. More chemistry then all our other lines combined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 347 Report post Posted June 11 (edited) On 6/9/2024 at 8:08 PM, Axl Foley said: The D would not be worse. Replacing Chiarot with Edvinsson is not a downgrade defensively. Offense from defense would be less, but that would be from losing Ghostibehere, not Chiarot. Replacing the #2 Dman on the team with a rookie would not be a downgrade? You're serious? Edited June 11 by Troy McClure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted June 11 Chiarot fantasy land is regarded, Troy. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 347 Report post Posted June 11 10 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Chiarot fantasy land is regarded, Troy. Newsy agrees with me. Youre the only one dreaming in this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Troy McClure said: Newsy agrees with me. Youre the only one dreaming in this You dont want to be regarded, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted June 11 We're losing Capfriendly. Seems Washington wants to have the only access to all the resources the website provides. So they get to be the only team/people that can look at every other teams cap situation and contract status? How fair is that? https://www.davyjoneslockerroom.com/the-caps-bought-capfriendly-so-now-what/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 129 Report post Posted June 11 On 6/10/2024 at 12:38 AM, Axl Foley said: The D would not be worse. Replacing Chiarot with Edvinsson is not a downgrade defensively. Offense from defense would be less, but that would be from losing Ghostibehere, not Chiarot. And I am not a Chiarot hater, but that 4+ whatever it is he is making could be better spent, IMO. And the biggest loss will be at F. Sprong's 18 goals/43 points and Kane's 20 goals/47 points (75 points pro rated for a whole season) and Perron's 17 goals/47 points are not going to be replaced by Berggren and bringing up a couple of kids. If trading down in the first allows me to free up some cap space to bring back proven offense, that's better than drafting a kid who wont be on the roster for 3-4 years anyway if he pans out at all. Edvinssons on the team to start next season regardless who else comes/goes on d. Hes replacing Gost not Chiarot and while it might be a upgrade defensively its def not a upgrade offensively. Your getting rid of the 3rd or 4th at worst dman on the team -Chia and promoting the 7th dman to top 4 -Holl. Thats a big downgrade. If its just about saving money you ship out Maatta ($3m) -easily tradable and Holl ($3.4) -cap dump, just don't use the 1st round pick to do it. Retain half on Holls contract and trade both for mid round picks and you save $4.7m the same youd save on Chiarot. Keep the better player and dont pay the premium. Sprongs production should be replaced by Berggren. Kane and Perron will both be back at around the same cap hit -reversed maybe slightly higher. I want Yzerman to trade up but he likely stays at 15. No scenerio he should trade back. This team has the deepest prospect pool in the league but lack elite talent. quality>quantity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted June 11 (edited) Trade Maatta, Veleno, 25 2nd for Sharangovich. (-$1M in cap) Trade Fabbri for a pick (+$4M in cap) Trade Holl and a pick for a pick (+$3.4M) Trade Husso for a pick (+$4.75M) Roughly $38M in cap space: Sign Seider and Raymond for a combined $16M. Sign Kane 3x$5M Sign Perron 2x$2M $15M in cap left Sign Matt Roy ($5M?) Trade a pick for Filip Gustavsson (-$3.75M) All other UFA's walk. Sorry Ghost, we just can't afford you. That leaves $6.75M roughly to dedicate towards Berggren, Edvinsson, Johansson, Mazur, Kasper all being on the roster to fill your team. Dammit I'm gonna miss capfriendly! I hope the alternatives that come out will be better eventually! Oh! I forgot re-signing Fischer to a 2 year modest contract too! Edited June 11 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted June 11 3 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: Edvinssons on the team to start next season regardless who else comes/goes on d. Hes replacing Gost not Chiarot and while it might be a upgrade defensively its def not a upgrade offensively. Your getting rid of the 3rd or 4th at worst dman on the team -Chia and promoting the 7th dman to top 4 -Holl. Thats a big downgrade. If its just about saving money you ship out Maatta ($3m) -easily tradable and Holl ($3.4) -cap dump, just don't use the 1st round pick to do it. Retain half on Holls contract and trade both for mid round picks and you save $4.7m the same youd save on Chiarot. Keep the better player and dont pay the premium. Sprongs production should be replaced by Berggren. Kane and Perron will both be back at around the same cap hit -reversed maybe slightly higher. I want Yzerman to trade up but he likely stays at 15. No scenerio he should trade back. This team has the deepest prospect pool in the league but lack elite talent. quality>quantity This take is terrible. Edvinsson is our 2nd best defenseman. Its that simple. Not up for debate. Maatta is a GOOD defenseman. He steadied Gost the last 1/2 of the season after Gost was told to play defense. Those 2 looked great as our 3rd pairing down the stretch. Very little opponent cycling with them on the ice. Holl was GOOD last year. The coach played Petry over him for an unexplainable reason. Petry and Chiarot are awful defensemen. AWFUL. If they are on the ice, the other team is cycling in our end. Those 2 guys single handedly cost us a playoff season last year. Trading away guys that aren't part of the problem is senseless. The SCAM needs to address the problem = Chiarot and Petry. Move them to 4th line F with Veleno between them. Problem solved The SCAM has too much pride tho. Chiarot was supposed to be good, so the SCAM has to ride out the contract he gave him. Stupid. Costing us success. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 347 Report post Posted June 11 Yzer isnt making 3 million trades fellas... this group finally took a massive leap forward this past year, the core will be staying together, and UFAs will try to be kept We certainly wont be shipping out defensive vets either (walman, copp, jtc, chia) Could see a goalie trade, and insignificant roster pieces like Holl, Veleno, or Maata move< but tats bout it 8 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said: This take is terrible. Edvinsson is our 2nd best defenseman. Its that simple. Not up for debate. Maatta is a GOOD defenseman. He steadied Gost the last 1/2 of the season after Gost was told to play defense. Those 2 looked great as our 3rd pairing down the stretch. Very little opponent cycling with them on the ice. Holl was GOOD last year. The coach played Petry over him for an unexplainable reason. Petry and Chiarot are awful defensemen. AWFUL. If they are on the ice, the other team is cycling in our end. Those 2 guys single handedly cost us a playoff season last year. Trading away guys that aren't part of the problem is senseless. The SCAM needs to address the problem = Chiarot and Petry. Move them to 4th line F with Veleno between them. Problem solved The SCAM has too much pride tho. Chiarot was supposed to be good, so the SCAM has to ride out the contract he gave him. Stupid. Costing us success. unreal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 347 Report post Posted June 12 13 hours ago, LeftWinger said: We're losing Capfriendly. Seems Washington wants to have the only access to all the resources the website provides. So they get to be the only team/people that can look at every other teams cap situation and contract status? How fair is that? https://www.davyjoneslockerroom.com/the-caps-bought-capfriendly-so-now-what/ from freidman "There are some teams scrambling today, there are a couple of people who said to me there will be some teams that don't have this kind of infrastructure that will be like "oh no, we're in trouble here"". "The NHL believes that they should not be in the business of publishing this stuff, as a matter of fact I've been told several times that the relationship between the NHL and CapFriendly was icy" FYI - Detroit is one of the teams without a cap alterntive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Troy McClure said: from freidman "There are some teams scrambling today, there are a couple of people who said to me there will be some teams that don't have this kind of infrastructure that will be like "oh no, we're in trouble here"". "The NHL believes that they should not be in the business of publishing this stuff, as a matter of fact I've been told several times that the relationship between the NHL and CapFriendly was icy" FYI - Detroit is one of the teams without a cap alterntive It is a kickass software. I managed the team yesterday. Signed: Mo (7.5 mil for 8 years) Raymond ( 7.5 mil for 8 years) Kane (5.5 mil for 4 years) Veleno (1.5 mil for 2 years) Fischer (1.5 mil for 2 years) Berggren (1.25 mil for 2 years) Al. Johansson (1.25 mil for 2 years) 2 UFA utility guys at 1 mil each for 1 year Traded: Fabbri (2 mil retained) + 2nd for Jarry. Moved Petry and Chiarot to the 4th line. Used 87.5 Mil of the 88 Mil Cap. The SCAM should do the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 129 Report post Posted June 12 11 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said: This take is terrible. Edvinsson is our 2nd best defenseman. Its that simple. Not up for debate. Maatta is a GOOD defenseman. He steadied Gost the last 1/2 of the season after Gost was told to play defense. Those 2 looked great as our 3rd pairing down the stretch. Very little opponent cycling with them on the ice. Holl was GOOD last year. The coach played Petry over him for an unexplainable reason. Petry and Chiarot are awful defensemen. AWFUL. If they are on the ice, the other team is cycling in our end. Those 2 guys single handedly cost us a playoff season last year. Trading away guys that aren't part of the problem is senseless. The SCAM needs to address the problem = Chiarot and Petry. Move them to 4th line F with Veleno between them. Problem solved The SCAM has too much pride tho. Chiarot was supposed to be good, so the SCAM has to ride out the contract he gave him. Stupid. Costing us success. Your player evaluation is terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 347 Report post Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: Your player evaluation is terrible. 1 seider 2 chi 3 walman 4 edd 5. maata 6 petry 7 holl guy is insane but that why we like him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 301 Report post Posted June 19 3 hours ago, LeftWinger said: solid extension for the nucks. takes both hronek and hughes thru their primes. 2 million cheaper than nurse lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 157 Report post Posted June 19 9 days until the draft. And 12 days until free agency, time is going pretty fast. Go Panthers finish it off in Edmonton on Friday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 301 Report post Posted June 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said: 9 days until the draft. And 12 days until free agency, time is going pretty fast. Go Panthers finish it off in Edmonton on Friday. Okay, so you're a panther... THAT DON'T IMPRESS ME MUCH So you got the lead, but do you have the puck? Don't get me wrong, yeah, I think you're alright But that don’t win a cup on game 6 finals night Edited June 19 by Jimmybigrigs69 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 301 Report post Posted June 19 Markstrom to NJD. Top D prospect Bahl and 1st going back. CGY also retains on Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted June 19 7 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said: Markstrom to NJD. Top D prospect Bahl and 1st going back. CGY also retains on Mark Dang I like Kevin Bahl. He'll be great in Calgary. Btw: $775k. Yzerman getting discounts already! Also... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 301 Report post Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: Dang I like Kevin Bahl. He'll be great in Calgary. Btw: $775k. Yzerman getting discounts already! Yeah Bahl is probably a sure thing as a big mean Dman who can play up and down the pairings. The interesting part is NJD moved their 2025 1st. Wonder if their 2024 is still available... Meh with no NHL reps Ajo couldnt ask for more. Probably his last 2way though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted June 19 59 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said: Yeah Bahl is probably a sure thing as a big mean Dman who can play up and down the pairings. The interesting part is NJD moved their 2025 1st. Wonder if their 2024 is still available... Meh with no NHL reps Ajo couldnt ask for more. Probably his last 2way though... Ya, but a lot of mock signings by some good insiders (TSN Guys) had him about $1M give or take. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 301 Report post Posted June 19 PLD to Wsh Keumper to Lak The deal is 1 for 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 157 Report post Posted June 19 (edited) Pierre- Luc Dubois to Washington for Darcy Kuemper. Washington had better hope that he changes his attitude. Or this will get ugly pretty quick. Edited June 19 by diehardredwingsfan58 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
