stephen-gregory-yzerman 129 Report post Posted June 19 5 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: Catton is 8th among NA skaters. 15 is not out of the question depending on how you factor in goalies and Euros. Theres only 2 maybe 3 euros that have a chance of going ahead of Catton no goalies are going in the 1st let alone top 15 in this draft. Catton is considered by many to be a top 5 pick in this draft. If he was a few inches taller hed be challenging Celebrini. If he gets to 15 Ill eat my hat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 301 Report post Posted June 19 2 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: No chance Catton gets to 15. If Yzerman gets him in any fashion dropping or trading up Im streaking through downtown Detroit. like i said, probs trading up. ignore the local special poster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 129 Report post Posted June 19 7 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said: like i said, probs trading up. ignore the local special poster. I feel like this might be a bit that Im missing out on but I wouldnt bet on it. It takes a team wanting to trade down and/or overpaying to move up. Im not sure either are likely with Yzerman but getting Catton in any fashion would be big time for this org. Catton oozes that dynamic skill this team is lacking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 301 Report post Posted June 19 1 hour ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: I feel like this might be a bit that Im missing out on but I wouldnt bet on it. It takes a team wanting to trade down and/or overpaying to move up. Im not sure either are likely with Yzerman but getting Catton in any fashion would be big time for this org. Catton oozes that dynamic skill this team is lacking. 6th, 10th, and 11th are available. And SY is known for moving up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 129 Report post Posted June 19 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said: 6th, 10th, and 11th are available. And SY is known for moving up. What would you package to move up to 10/11? 15, 47 and Berg/AJo? Id do that for Catton. edit: change that to 15, 2025 2nd, AJo. Is that enough? Probably not. Draft Catton at 10/11 and Fischer at 47 <- dream scenario Edited June 19 by stephen-gregory-yzerman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 157 Report post Posted June 19 Craig Button on his latest, Has us drafting Michael Hage at 15th overall. Though Michael Bransegg Nygard is still up there. And possibly Solberg to pair with Seider would be sweet as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmybigrigs69 301 Report post Posted June 19 3 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: What would you package to move up to 10/11? 15, 47 and Berg/AJo? Id do that for Catton. edit: change that to 15, 2025 2nd, AJo. Is that enough? Probably not. Draft Catton at 10/11 and Fischer at 47 <- dream scenario I dont expect 10/11 to be available to us. Buffalo wants legit now help coming back, and NJ wants a legit goalie. 6 is the target as Utah wants to move back and load up the prospect pool. Would take a lot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted June 19 New list out. Iginla at 3? Eiserman at 5? https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/craig-s-list-tij-iginla-cole-eiserman-rise-in-final-ranking-1.2136740 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 212 Report post Posted June 19 3 hours ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said: Craig Button on his latest, Has us drafting Michael Hage at 15th overall. Though Michael Bransegg Nygard is still up there. And possibly Solberg to pair with Seider would be sweet as well. As of 2 days ago it was Catton. When/Where did you see this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted June 20 7 hours ago, LeftWinger said: New list out. Iginla at 3? Eiserman at 5? https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/craig-s-list-tij-iginla-cole-eiserman-rise-in-final-ranking-1.2136740 Told you guys, Iginla is the real deal. He'll be the best player drafted this draft. I have ZERO doubts of that. 15-20 year guy with 55-65 pts a year. Lucas Raymond, but left handed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 320 Report post Posted June 20 2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Told you guys, Iginla is the real deal. He'll be the best player drafted this draft. I have ZERO doubts of that. 15-20 year guy with 55-65 pts a year. Lucas Raymond, but left handed. If that is the stats for the best player in this draft, then this draft sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 157 Report post Posted June 20 18 hours ago, town123 said: As of 2 days ago it was Catton. When/Where did you see this? Sorry my bad, it was Corey Pronman that said Michael Hage to Detroit I was way off. I don't see Berkley Catton falling to 15th overall though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 129 Report post Posted June 20 12 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Told you guys, Iginla is the real deal. He'll be the best player drafted this draft. I have ZERO doubts of that. 15-20 year guy with 55-65 pts a year. Lucas Raymond, but left handed. I wouldnt put too much stock into Buttons mock drafts hes the worst. Id love Iginla at 15 no way he gets there but hell be closer to 15 then 3. lol Thats terrible production for the best player in any draft and thats not close to what Raymond is. Hes already exceeded that in his 21 year old season. Raymond will be over a pt/g winger through his prime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted June 20 9 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: I wouldnt put too much stock into Buttons mock drafts hes the worst. Id love Iginla at 15 no way he gets there but hell be closer to 15 then 3. lol Thats terrible production for the best player in any draft and thats not close to what Raymond is. Hes already exceeded that in his 21 year old season. Raymond will be over a pt/g winger through his prime. Nate Danielson had 67 pts in 54 games as a 19 year old. Tij Iginla had 84 pts in 64 games as a 17 year old. How is 84 in 64 terrible? Looks outstanding to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 129 Report post Posted June 20 14 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Nate Danielson had 67 pts in 54 games as a 19 year old. Tij Iginla had 84 pts in 64 games as a 17 year old. How is 84 in 64 terrible? Looks outstanding to me. I was referring to 55-65 pts. Catton had 116 pts in 68 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted June 20 24 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: I was referring to 55-65 pts. Catton had 116 pts in 68 games. I think youre interpreting me saying he'll average 55-60 pts over a 20 year career as he will have a career high year of 65 pts. Im saying he will finish with 1100-1300 pts and end up in the HOF with his pops. 24 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,675 Report post Posted June 20 1 hour ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: I wouldnt put too much stock into Buttons mock drafts hes the worst. Id love Iginla at 15 no way he gets there but hell be closer to 15 then 3. lol Thats terrible production for the best player in any draft and thats not close to what Raymond is. Hes already exceeded that in his 21 year old season. Raymond will be over a pt/g winger through his prime. FWIW I think Craig Button's mocks and rankings are really useful. He's said in prior interviews that he doesn't even bother trying to speculate on teams' picks. Instead he puts together his own board (just like an NHL team would do) and works off that. This is why he's way higher on some guys than public consensus may be. Way lower on some too. But I think it's a useful tool because it factors in his own subjective preferences. While NHL teams might not share Craig's priorities, it's clear that they have their own. For example, SY has said he prioritizes competitiveness over other attributes. As such, he might view a guy like Sennecke lower than other teams who value skill or size or whatever. And it's not like Craig doesn't know team building. He was the director of scouting for Minnesota/Dallas, and then again with Calgary. He's got a laundry list of draft "wins" under his belt. In short, Craig's list is useful because it's not based on consensus. Why is this useful? Because teams view players differently and don't put their lists together based on consensus either. His list is a sneak peek into how NHL GMs might value guys differently on draft day than the public does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motor City Mullets 283 Report post Posted June 20 13 hours ago, Axl Foley said: If that is the stats for the best player in this draft, then this draft sucks. It's been known that outside of Celebrini this isn't a deep nor impressive draft...I'm still of the belief the #15 should be packaged to land a legit guy that can help us now and for a handful of years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted June 20 30 minutes ago, Motor City Mullets said: It's been known that outside of Celebrini this isn't a deep nor impressive draft...I'm still of the belief the #15 should be packaged to land a legit guy that can help us now and for a handful of years. you're in luck, because the SCAM is known to move up for draft day. He's good at the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 212 Report post Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Motor City Mullets said: It's been known that outside of Celebrini this isn't a deep nor impressive draft...I'm still of the belief the #15 should be packaged to land a legit guy that can help us now and for a handful of years. Not sure that's the case now, maybe back at the start of 2024 it was. Most of the sites are looking at the 4-14 range as a pretty good crop based against other years. Hard to argue with the top 4 picks in 2023 as they all could have been #1's in different draft years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TLGTrico 647 Report post Posted June 24 I can't wait to add Bransegg Nygard to my NHL 24 Red wings prospect team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 212 Report post Posted June 27 One more day to go mfers I can't wait Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted June 28 Lets hope the future considerations involves swapping 15 for 11! (Throw Holl in for giggles) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted June 28 Ken Holland's last act as GM should be trading Detroit Drisaitl for a 25 1st and a couple of players. I'm willing to bet Kane re-signs for a bit cheaper if that happened! Must shed salary now! Before July 1! 1 AtlantaHotWings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted June 28 9 hours ago, LeftWinger said: Ken Holland's last act as GM should be trading Detroit Drisaitl for a 25 1st and a couple of players. I'm willing to bet Kane re-signs for a bit cheaper if that happened! Must shed salary now! Before July 1! McDavid (1/2 retained), Draisaitl (1/2 retained), Nurse (1/2 retained), and Broberg for Fabbri, Husso, Chiarot, Petry, Compher, Copp, and Rasmussen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
