2024 Draft

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

14 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

I would like to see him trade down and clear out a bad contract.

This is never a good idea don't move down in the 1st round to get rid of a bad contract. If theres a bad contract that needs a pick attached you use a later pick. We seen how that worked in the Datsyuk trade losing out on Chychrun for Cholowski. 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

On 5/31/2024 at 11:35 AM, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I think we most likely trade up

Yzerman is known to trade up

[LeftWinger 5,123]

9 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

This is never a good idea don't move down in the 1st round to get rid of a bad contract. If theres a bad contract that needs a pick attached you use a later pick. We seen how that worked in the Datsyuk trade losing out on Chychrun for Cholowski. 

Holland would've drafted Cholowski even if he didn't trade down.

[LeftWinger 5,123]

Trade up if Eiserman falls to 10.

To NJD : 15th overall, Berggren, '25 4th

To DET : 10th overall, Bahl

[diehardredwingsfan58 164]

Do anything to get either Bradly Catton or Cole Eiserman.

[Jimmybigrigs69 353]

23 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Yzerman is known to trade up

If I recall correctly he traded up in the 1st in previous drafts. The opposite of down. 

[Axl Foley 334]

1 hour ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

If I recall correctly he traded up in the 1st in previous drafts. The opposite of down. 

He has never traded up his first overall pick, only additional first round picks. And he doesn't have any of those this draft.

[Axl Foley 334]

On 6/2/2024 at 8:57 AM, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

This is never a good idea don't move down in the 1st round to get rid of a bad contract. If theres a bad contract that needs a pick attached you use a later pick. We seen how that worked in the Datsyuk trade losing out on Chychrun for Cholowski. 

It is if you are picking in the middle to late first round and there isn't anyone left on the board who you see as significantly better. If you can get the same caliber player by trading down a few spots and unloading a bad contract in the process, you should do it.

Obviously, if there is a guy at your pick that you like, and he probably won't be there if you trade down, then you don't. But as we have seen with SY over the past few drafts, the guys he wants are not necessarily who anyone suspected, and guys he could have gotten later.

[Jimmybigrigs69 353]

12 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

He has never traded up his first overall pick, only additional first round picks. And he doesn't have any of those this draft.

Which way did he trade his additional first?

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

2 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

It is if you are picking in the middle to late first round and there isn't anyone left on the board who you see as significantly better. If you can get the same caliber player by trading down a few spots and unloading a bad contract in the process, you should do it.

Obviously, if there is a guy at your pick that you like, and he probably won't be there if you trade down, then you don't. But as we have seen with SY over the past few drafts, the guys he wants are not necessarily who anyone suspected, and guys he could have gotten later.

Theres always gonna be a player you like more then others at the top/middle of the 1st round and if theres a player you like in that position you take him regardless what rankings say. Name one player Yzerman selected that he coulda for sure gotten later? This is something you can risk in the later rounds not so much in the top half of the 1st round which is why we so seldom see it especially to rid a contract. 

[Jimmybigrigs69 353]

1 hour ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Theres always gonna be a player you like more then others at the top/middle of the 1st round and if theres a player you like in that position you take him regardless what rankings say. Name one player Yzerman selected that he coulda for sure gotten later? This is something you can risk in the later rounds not so much in the top half of the 1st round which is why we so seldom see it especially to rid a contract. 

Inb4 Mo Seider

Heavily suspected Holland wanted to take Seider at #8

 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

4 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Which way did he trade his additional first?

It's well known that the SCAM likes to trade UP.  He grabs better players that way.  I'm expecting a move this draft to grab one of Buium or Iginla.  Those guys are 2025-26 roster ready players.  I wouldn't be surprised to see our first, our 2nd next year, and Berggren packaged to Calgary for their pick.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

3 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

It's well known that the SCAM likes to trade UP.  He grabs better players that way.  I'm expecting a move this draft to grab one of Buium or Iginla.  Those guys are 2025-26 roster ready players.  I wouldn't be surprised to see our first, our 2nd next year, and Berggren packaged to Calgary for their pick.

Calgary aint trading there pick that would get them Iginla.

If Yzerman trades up Id hope its for Eiserman I just dont see it happening.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

3 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Calgary aint trading there pick that would get them Iginla.

If Yzerman trades up Id hope its for Eiserman I just dont see it happening.

Eiserman will be around at 15.  He's this year's Filip Zadina.  The Scam wont draft that kid.  One thing the Scam is awesome at is drafting.  Watch him get us some magic this year.

[kipwinger 8,749]

After careful consideration I’ve decided that Michael Hage is my preferred pick. You can read all about his on ice skill (which is considerable) or his size/speed combination. All of which is attractive. But I read an article about how he handled the loss of his father a year ago. His dad was extremely demanding and had high standards but they were very close and the kid handled the death with a ton of grace. 
 

I want the player with high standards and emotional maturity. Sign me up for Danielson/Hage as our centers of the future. 

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

On 5/23/2024 at 8:48 AM, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

I think even if Eiserman is there at 15 - not likely - Yzerman would pass on him. Ironically Eiserman isnt a Yzerman guy. I dont think hes trading up - hes more likely to trade the pick altogether - but if he did I think hed be more likely to be targetting Brandsegg-Nygard then Eiserman. 

 

10 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Eiserman will be around at 15.  He's this year's Filip Zadina.  The Scam wont draft that kid.  One thing the Scam is awesome at is drafting.  Watch him get us some magic this year.

 

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

13 hours ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Calgary aint trading there pick that would get them Iginla.

If Yzerman trades up Id hope its for Eiserman I just dont see it happening.

We are ignoring this one, SGY?

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

After careful consideration I’ve decided that Michael Hage is my preferred pick. You can read all about his on ice skill (which is considerable) or his size/speed combination. All of which is attractive. But I read an article about how he handled the loss of his father a year ago. His dad was extremely demanding and had high standards but they were very close and the kid handled the death with a ton of grace. 
 

I want the player with high standards and emotional maturity. Sign me up for Danielson/Hage as our centers of the future. 

I still want Eiserman understanding hes likely not the pick. Not big on Hage but wouldnt hate the pick.

1 minute ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

We are ignoring this one, SGY?

Ignoring what?

[kipwinger 8,749]

16 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

I still want Eiserman understanding hes likely not the pick. Not big on Hage but wouldnt hate the pick.

Ignoring what?

I wasn't big on Hage either until I read his story. Missed his entire draft minus one season to shoulder injury and then dealt with the death of his father in his draft season. Despite that he's performed exceptionally well with respect to his counting (especially playoff) stats, and he seems to have a great attitude. Every talent evaluator I've seen says that the kid's physical tools and skills are exceptional: powerful skating, strong, quick hands, excellent passing and shooting. The only knock on him was that he plays on the perimeter too much. I'm willing to take the gamble that's because he's missed a whole lot of coaching and not because he's soft (most people like his effort and head for the game).

But again, I'm mostly a big fan of any kid that faces THAT much adversity at an early age and still finds a way to keep working toward his goals and succeeding. Sometimes the difference between a good player and a great one is mental toughness/discipline. I'd bet on this kid.

[Motor City Mullets 302]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

I wasn't big on Hage either until I read his story. Missed his entire draft minus one season to shoulder injury and then dealt with the death of his father in his draft season. Despite that he's performed exceptionally well with respect to his counting (especially playoff) stats, and he seems to have a great attitude. Every talent evaluator I've seen says that the kid's physical tools and skills are exceptional: powerful skating, strong, quick hands, excellent passing and shooting. The only knock on him was that he plays on the perimeter too much. I'm willing to take the gamble that's because he's missed a whole lot of coaching and not because he's soft (most people like his effort and head for the game).

But again, I'm mostly a big fan of any kid that faces THAT much adversity at an early age and still finds a way to keep working toward his goals and succeeding. Sometimes the difference between a good player and a great one is mental toughness/discipline. I'd bet on this kid.

I would think there's hesitation on his part after having surgery on his shoulder...Over time he'll heal up and gain confidence.

He's committed to Michigan - almost seems this was meant to be.

Edited June 4, 2024 by Motor City Mullets

[kipwinger 8,749]

20 minutes ago, Motor City Mullets said:

I would think there's hesitation on his part after having surgery on his shoulder...Over time he'll heal up and gain confidence.

He's committed to Michigan - almost seems this was meant to be.

I know, you'd have to think that's good for a few reasons. First, the Wings can keep an eye on his development at Michigan. But also, spots on Michigan's team are pretty hard to land in their own right. If Michigan's program wants him that's just another set of eyes that have looked at this kid and liked what they saw. The Wings shouldn't draft him BECAUSE Michigan likes him, but having the additional confirmation from a respected program can't hurt.

Edited June 4, 2024 by kipwinger

[Jimmybigrigs69 353]

52 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I know, you'd have to think that's good for a few reasons. First, the Wings can keep an eye on his development at Michigan. But also, spots on Michigan's team are pretty hard to land in their own right. If Michigan's program wants him that's just another set of eyes that have looked at this kid and liked what they saw. The Wings shouldn't draft him BECAUSE Michigan likes him, but having the additional confirmation from a respected program can't hurt.

With former wings coaches at UofM and MSU and WMU, we should have the inside track on every college player in Michigan

[Axl Foley 334]

22 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Inb4 Mo Seider

Heavily suspected Holland wanted to take Seider at #8

 

I was gonna say Seider cuz I thought that was the draft that EDM took Bouchard at 10. That was 2018, KH was still in Detroit drafting Zadina. Not enough wiggle room to trade down in 2019. But I think it would have been considered a surprise even if Seider was taken at 8.

Edited June 4, 2024 by Axl Foley

[Axl Foley 334]

On 6/3/2024 at 2:37 PM, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Theres always gonna be a player you like more then others at the top/middle of the 1st round and if theres a player you like in that position you take him regardless what rankings say. Name one player Yzerman selected that he coulda for sure gotten later? This is something you can risk in the later rounds not so much in the top half of the 1st round which is why we so seldom see it especially to rid a contract. 

There isn't any of his picks he for sure could have gotten later. That is part of the gamble.

But I can say that I did not see one mock draft that had Danielson going to Detroit at 9. Saw him going anywhere from 10 to 16.

Also he was not ranked in the top 10 of any prospect list that I saw. Elite Prospects ranked him at 13, Hockey News 22, Sportsnet 19. 

Danielson could arguably have been had later if SY traded down. A risk? Yes. But that is what the draft is.

[Axl Foley 334]

On 6/2/2024 at 6:20 PM, LeftWinger said:

Holland would've drafted Cholowski even if he didn't trade down.

Not sure if true, but that is what I am talking about. If you want Cholowski and you can rid yourself of a bad contract and still get him, that is what you do.

22 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

It's well known that the SCAM likes to trade UP.  He grabs better players that way.  I'm expecting a move this draft to grab one of Buium or Iginla.  Those guys are 2025-26 roster ready players.  I wouldn't be surprised to see our first, our 2nd next year, and Berggren packaged to Calgary for their pick.

Berggren needs to be on the roster this year. This team is lacking almost an entire 2nd line.