2024 TDL Thread

[Axl Foley 320]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

So you're suggesting a playoff team trade a better player for a worse one and upgrade a 5th round pick to a 2nd? I guess, but why bother?

Because these trades wouldn't drop us out of the playoffs. The extra 2nd also gives Yzerman another tradeable asset for a better player. Plus Ghost isn't likely re-signing and this team isn't likely to get past the 2nd round either way.

[Axl Foley 320]

2 hours ago, Troy McClure said:

Ask for Guenztel is now apparently 1st + young NHLer + prospects... with wiggle depending on the quality of players offered. Pens want the deal done by tmrw night.

Am I the only one who doesnt want to give up assets for a potential rental in Guentzel? Would rather acquire Vatrano. Same age, way cheaper, and at least he has a year left on his contract.

[Troy McClure 347]

10 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Am I the only one who doesnt want to give up assets for a potential rental in Guentzel? Would rather acquire Vatrano. Same age, way cheaper, and at least he has a year left on his contract.

I have no interest in Guenztel bro, I'm just watching the deadline

55 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Mantha to Vegas 

 

2nd and a 4th going back

Current Mantha worth less than Nyquist was

[diehardredwingsfan58 157]

Yup Mantha to Vegas for a 2nd and 4th round pick at 50% retained.

[Axl Foley 320]

28 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

I have no interest in Guenztel bro, I'm just watching the deadline

2nd and a 4th going back

Current Mantha worth less than Nyquist was

Ghost is better than Mantha. should fetch more.

[Dabura 12,228]

7 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Can't win without superstars bro. We need to tank every year until we get the honor of drafting Alexis Lafreniere. Only then we be ready to compete.

When did everyone become such pencil-pushing ninnies about winning? It's insane.

"We're multiple pieces away from being a serious playoff team!"

Alright, cool, so let's sit on our hands and refuse to make any bold moves until Marco Kasper is our 3C. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Only when Marco Kasper is our 3C will we truly be ready to take the next step. You see, the thing you have to understand about Marco Kasper being our 3C is, look, what you have to understand is, we're still several key pieces away, so, you know, we talk about depth, and so, the thing I really like about Marco Kasper as our future 3C is, look, the thing about Larkin is, Larkin's gonna be great well into his 50s, like Gordie Howe, and so, you know, then we're gonna have Danielson, who's definitely going to be even better than Larkin, and it'll take five years, but it's definitely going to happen, and the thing I like about Marco Kasper as our 3C is, look, you know, we talk about depth, and

STOP BEING STUPID! STOP IT! SPRAY BOTTLE! BAD! NO! BAD! NO! NO! BAD FAN! WE DO NOT DO STUPID ON THE RUG! WE DO STUPID OUTSIDE ON THE GRASS! BAD FAN! BAD!

Look, I get that Yzermanager has to be careful. Of course he does. It goes without saying.

But you know what? Our drafting has not impressed me to the point where I want to treat every pick and prospect like it's quite possibly the next Pavel Datsyuk.

"But you have to weigh the value of a 2nd-round pick against the thing!"

We've whiffed on our 2nds. There's no Brayden Point coming down the pike. Yzerman lets Kris Draper throw darts at a board and that's how we choose guys outside the 1st round.

Here's where I'm at with our vaunted farm system:

Goal

- Cossa's doing well. Cool. Can't wait to see him in 20 years.
- Augustine's doing well. Cool. Can't wait to see him in 30 years.

Defense

- I think Edvinsson is a really good prospect. I think he could be an impact player next season. That's very good.
- I think ASP has star potential, but I think he's got a long way to go. I'm talking two more years before he even gets a cup of coffee.
- Realistically, I don't expect Johansson or Wallinder to amount to much.

Forward

- Larkin was a beast at the college level and in his brief stint with the Griffins. And he had a great NHL rookie season. And then he struggled and people hated on him and it took him several years to become the player he now is. Are we willing to wait that long with our current center prospects? Do we understand that there's zero guarantee that any of them's gonna be any better than Compher is right now?
- I want Danielson to be a 60-point NHL 2C two seasons from now - but I'm not counting on it.
- I want Kasper to be a 45-point NHL 3C two seasons from now - but I'm not counting on it.
- I want Mazur to be Frank Vatrano next season - but no.
- Having Berggren on our third line does not meaningfully address any of the shortcomings that people are citing when they say we're not a serious playoff team.

"Kasper and Danielson don't have to be stars! We just need them to be solid contributors!"

WHY? WHY?? WHY??? WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS FOR KIDS TO BECOME MIDDLE-SIXERS? WHAT IS THE SCIENCE BEHIND THIS? IS THERE A PEER-REVIEWED ACADEMIC PAPER I CAN READ?

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

50 minutes ago, Dabura said:

When did everyone become such pencil-pushing ninnies about winning? It's insane.

"We're multiple pieces away from being a serious playoff team!"

Alright, cool, so let's sit on our hands and refuse to make any bold moves until Marco Kasper is our 3C. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Only when Marco Kasper is our 3C will we truly be ready to take the next step. You see, the thing you have to understand about Marco Kasper being our 3C is, look, what you have to understand is, we're still several key pieces away, so, you know, we talk about depth, and so, the thing I really like about Marco Kasper as our future 3C is, look, the thing about Larkin is, Larkin's gonna be great well into his 50s, like Gordie Howe, and so, you know, then we're gonna have Danielson, who's definitely going to be even better than Larkin, and it'll take five years, but it's definitely going to happen, and the thing I like about Marco Kasper as our 3C is, look, you know, we talk about depth, and

STOP BEING STUPID! STOP IT! SPRAY BOTTLE! BAD! NO! BAD! NO! NO! BAD FAN! WE DO NOT DO STUPID ON THE RUG! WE DO STUPID OUTSIDE ON THE GRASS! BAD FAN! BAD!

Look, I get that Yzermanager has to be careful. Of course he does. It goes without saying.

But you know what? Our drafting has not impressed me to the point where I want to treat every pick and prospect like it's quite possibly the next Pavel Datsyuk.

"But you have to weigh the value of a 2nd-round pick against the thing!"

We've whiffed on our 2nds. There's no Brayden Point coming down the pike. Yzerman lets Kris Draper throw darts at a board and that's how we choose guys outside the 1st round.

Here's where I'm at with our vaunted farm system:

Goal

- Cossa's doing well. Cool. Can't wait to see him in 20 years.
- Augustine's doing well. Cool. Can't wait to see him in 30 years.

Defense

- I think Edvinsson is a really good prospect. I think he could be an impact player next season. That's very good.
- I think ASP has star potential, but I think he's got a long way to go. I'm talking two more years before he even gets a cup of coffee.
- Realistically, I don't expect Johansson or Wallinder to amount to much.

Forward

- Larkin was a beast at the college level and in his brief stint with the Griffins. And he had a great NHL rookie season. And then he struggled and people hated on him and it took him several years to become the player he now is. Are we willing to wait that long with our current center prospects? Do we understand that there's zero guarantee that any of them's gonna be any better than Compher is right now?
- I want Danielson to be a 60-point NHL 2C two seasons from now - but I'm not counting on it.
- I want Kasper to be a 45-point NHL 3C two seasons from now - but I'm not counting on it.
- I want Mazur to be Frank Vatrano next season - but no.
- Having Berggren on our third line does not meaningfully address any of the shortcomings that people are citing when they say we're not a serious playoff team.

"Kasper and Danielson don't have to be stars! We just need them to be solid contributors!"

WHY? WHY?? WHY??? WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS FOR KIDS TO BECOME MIDDLE-SIXERS? WHAT IS THE SCIENCE BEHIND THIS? IS THERE A PEER-REVIEWED ACADEMIC PAPER I CAN READ?

Drives me apeshet too, dude.

"Edvinsson needs the experience, ASP isn't ready, Mazur and Kasper are going to be awesome 3rd liners, etc."

We have Seider, Walman, and Maata.  The rest of our current defense is complete crap.  Why pay 10 million per fore complete crap when you can pay your draft picks THAT ARE BETTER 4 million per.  "But Petry is better right now.  ASP isn't ready.". WRONG.  Petry is pig crap, and unready ASP is much better.  Edvinsson is better than Chiarot.  Much better.  Johansson is better than Gost.  Why are we playing vet castaways over our high draft picks?

And there are no awesome 3rd liners.  Bottom 6 guys get 13 minutes a game and top out at what Sprong looks like this year.  Why not play Mazur over Fabbri and save the 3 mil.  No disrespect to Fabbri, but he's expensive.  

The only thing we really need to do at the deadline is start icing our best players available.  The stop gap signings on this team are just way too overkill.  Holl (3) is picking his butt, Copp (5) is wondering why he is on the 3rd line, Fabbri (4) is like a nomad, Chiarot (4) just sucks, Petry (2) is beer league material, Husso (4) is history.  22 mil in WASTE.

ASP for Holl.

Kasper for Copp.

Berggren for Fabbri.

Edvinsson for Chiarot.

Johansson for Petry.

Cossa for Husso.

Why do we need to throw away 2023-24 before the changes occur?

 

[diehardredwingsfan58 157]

5 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Drives me apeshet too, dude.

"Edvinsson needs the experience, ASP isn't ready, Mazur and Kasper are going to be awesome 3rd liners, etc."

We have Seider, Walman, and Maata.  The rest of our current defense is complete crap.  Why pay 10 million per fore complete crap when you can pay your draft picks THAT ARE BETTER 4 million per.  "But Petry is better right now.  ASP isn't ready.". WRONG.  Petry is pig crap, and unready ASP is much better.  Edvinsson is better than Chiarot.  Much better.  Johansson is better than Gost.  Why are we playing vet castaways over our high draft picks?

And there are no awesome 3rd liners.  Bottom 6 guys get 13 minutes a game and top out at what Sprong looks like this year.  Why not play Mazur over Fabbri and save the 3 mil.  No disrespect to Fabbri, but he's expensive.  

The only thing we really need to do at the deadline is start icing our best players available.  The stop gap signings on this team are just way too overkill.  Holl (3) is picking his butt, Copp (5) is wondering why he is on the 3rd line, Fabbri (4) is like a nomad, Chiarot (4) just sucks, Petry (2) is beer league material, Husso (4) is history.  22 mil in WASTE.

ASP for Holl.

Kasper for Copp.

Berggren for Fabbri.

Edvinsson for Chiarot.

Johansson for Petry.

Cossa for Husso.

Why do we need to throw away 2023-24 before the changes occur?

 

I like your thinking, Give the kids a shot.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

Mantha to Vegas for picks.  This guy really must ooze something that makes his teammates not like him 

[Axl Foley 320]

2 hours ago, Dabura said:

When did everyone become such pencil-pushing ninnies about winning? It's insane.

"We're multiple pieces away from being a serious playoff team!"

Alright, cool, so let's sit on our hands and refuse to make any bold moves until Marco Kasper is our 3C. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Only when Marco Kasper is our 3C will we truly be ready to take the next step. You see, the thing you have to understand about Marco Kasper being our 3C is, look, what you have to understand is, we're still several key pieces away, so, you know, we talk about depth, and so, the thing I really like about Marco Kasper as our future 3C is, look, the thing about Larkin is, Larkin's gonna be great well into his 50s, like Gordie Howe, and so, you know, then we're gonna have Danielson, who's definitely going to be even better than Larkin, and it'll take five years, but it's definitely going to happen, and the thing I like about Marco Kasper as our 3C is, look, you know, we talk about depth, and

STOP BEING STUPID! STOP IT! SPRAY BOTTLE! BAD! NO! BAD! NO! NO! BAD FAN! WE DO NOT DO STUPID ON THE RUG! WE DO STUPID OUTSIDE ON THE GRASS! BAD FAN! BAD!

Look, I get that Yzermanager has to be careful. Of course he does. It goes without saying.

But you know what? Our drafting has not impressed me to the point where I want to treat every pick and prospect like it's quite possibly the next Pavel Datsyuk.

"But you have to weigh the value of a 2nd-round pick against the thing!"

We've whiffed on our 2nds. There's no Brayden Point coming down the pike. Yzerman lets Kris Draper throw darts at a board and that's how we choose guys outside the 1st round.

Here's where I'm at with our vaunted farm system:

Goal

- Cossa's doing well. Cool. Can't wait to see him in 20 years.
- Augustine's doing well. Cool. Can't wait to see him in 30 years.

Defense

- I think Edvinsson is a really good prospect. I think he could be an impact player next season. That's very good.
- I think ASP has star potential, but I think he's got a long way to go. I'm talking two more years before he even gets a cup of coffee.
- Realistically, I don't expect Johansson or Wallinder to amount to much.

Forward

- Larkin was a beast at the college level and in his brief stint with the Griffins. And he had a great NHL rookie season. And then he struggled and people hated on him and it took him several years to become the player he now is. Are we willing to wait that long with our current center prospects? Do we understand that there's zero guarantee that any of them's gonna be any better than Compher is right now?
- I want Danielson to be a 60-point NHL 2C two seasons from now - but I'm not counting on it.
- I want Kasper to be a 45-point NHL 3C two seasons from now - but I'm not counting on it.
- I want Mazur to be Frank Vatrano next season - but no.
- Having Berggren on our third line does not meaningfully address any of the shortcomings that people are citing when they say we're not a serious playoff team.

"Kasper and Danielson don't have to be stars! We just need them to be solid contributors!"

WHY? WHY?? WHY??? WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS FOR KIDS TO BECOME MIDDLE-SIXERS? WHAT IS THE SCIENCE BEHIND THIS? IS THERE A PEER-REVIEWED ACADEMIC PAPER I CAN READ?

this started out like a Joe Biden presser

1 hour ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Drives me apeshet too, dude.

"Edvinsson needs the experience, ASP isn't ready, Mazur and Kasper are going to be awesome 3rd liners, etc."

We have Seider, Walman, and Maata.  The rest of our current defense is complete crap.  Why pay 10 million per fore complete crap when you can pay your draft picks THAT ARE BETTER 4 million per.  "But Petry is better right now.  ASP isn't ready.". WRONG.  Petry is pig crap, and unready ASP is much better.  Edvinsson is better than Chiarot.  Much better.  Johansson is better than Gost.  Why are we playing vet castaways over our high draft picks?

And there are no awesome 3rd liners.  Bottom 6 guys get 13 minutes a game and top out at what Sprong looks like this year.  Why not play Mazur over Fabbri and save the 3 mil.  No disrespect to Fabbri, but he's expensive.  

The only thing we really need to do at the deadline is start icing our best players available.  The stop gap signings on this team are just way too overkill.  Holl (3) is picking his butt, Copp (5) is wondering why he is on the 3rd line, Fabbri (4) is like a nomad, Chiarot (4) just sucks, Petry (2) is beer league material, Husso (4) is history.  22 mil in WASTE.

ASP for Holl.

Kasper for Copp.

Berggren for Fabbri.

Edvinsson for Chiarot.

Johansson for Petry.

Cossa for Husso.

Why do we need to throw away 2023-24 before the changes occur?

 

this does not make us better, it only tells me you don't how to build a playoff roster.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

things that are cool:

1. having pretty good pro scouts

2. having a whole bunch of draft picks

things that aren't cool:

1. losers 

[Troy McClure 347]

2 hours ago, Dabura said:

When did everyone become such pencil-pushing ninnies about winning? It's insane.

"We're multiple pieces away from being a serious playoff team!"

Alright, cool, so let's sit on our hands and refuse to make any bold moves until Marco Kasper is our 3C. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Only when Marco Kasper is our 3C will we truly be ready to take the next step. You see, the thing you have to understand about Marco Kasper being our 3C is, look, what you have to understand is, we're still several key pieces away, so, you know, we talk about depth, and so, the thing I really like about Marco Kasper as our future 3C is, look, the thing about Larkin is, Larkin's gonna be great well into his 50s, like Gordie Howe, and so, you know, then we're gonna have Danielson, who's definitely going to be even better than Larkin, and it'll take five years, but it's definitely going to happen, and the thing I like about Marco Kasper as our 3C is, look, you know, we talk about depth, and

STOP BEING STUPID! STOP IT! SPRAY BOTTLE! BAD! NO! BAD! NO! NO! BAD FAN! WE DO NOT DO STUPID ON THE RUG! WE DO STUPID OUTSIDE ON THE GRASS! BAD FAN! BAD!

Look, I get that Yzermanager has to be careful. Of course he does. It goes without saying.

But you know what? Our drafting has not impressed me to the point where I want to treat every pick and prospect like it's quite possibly the next Pavel Datsyuk.

"But you have to weigh the value of a 2nd-round pick against the thing!"

We've whiffed on our 2nds. There's no Brayden Point coming down the pike. Yzerman lets Kris Draper throw darts at a board and that's how we choose guys outside the 1st round.

Here's where I'm at with our vaunted farm system:

Goal

- Cossa's doing well. Cool. Can't wait to see him in 20 years.
- Augustine's doing well. Cool. Can't wait to see him in 30 years.

Defense

- I think Edvinsson is a really good prospect. I think he could be an impact player next season. That's very good.
- I think ASP has star potential, but I think he's got a long way to go. I'm talking two more years before he even gets a cup of coffee.
- Realistically, I don't expect Johansson or Wallinder to amount to much.

Forward

- Larkin was a beast at the college level and in his brief stint with the Griffins. And he had a great NHL rookie season. And then he struggled and people hated on him and it took him several years to become the player he now is. Are we willing to wait that long with our current center prospects? Do we understand that there's zero guarantee that any of them's gonna be any better than Compher is right now?
- I want Danielson to be a 60-point NHL 2C two seasons from now - but I'm not counting on it.
- I want Kasper to be a 45-point NHL 3C two seasons from now - but I'm not counting on it.
- I want Mazur to be Frank Vatrano next season - but no.
- Having Berggren on our third line does not meaningfully address any of the shortcomings that people are citing when they say we're not a serious playoff team.

"Kasper and Danielson don't have to be stars! We just need them to be solid contributors!"

WHY? WHY?? WHY??? WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS FOR KIDS TO BECOME MIDDLE-SIXERS? WHAT IS THE SCIENCE BEHIND THIS? IS THERE A PEER-REVIEWED ACADEMIC PAPER I CAN READ?

I love how riled up yall get

That said, we need a superstar

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

this started out like a Joe Biden presser

this does not make us better, it only tells me you don't how to build a playoff roster.

I know what I know, if you know what I mean.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 129]

Am I the only one that woulda taken Mantha back for a 2nd and 4th?

Buchnevich is who I want but Mantha woulda been a decent consolation at a fraction of the price.

Would STL want Fabbri back? Fabbs, Berggren, 24 2nd, 25 1st for Buch? 

[Akakabuto 1,831]

18 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Am I the only one that woulda taken Mantha back for a 2nd and 4th?

On this board? Probably.

[LeftWinger 5,065]

17 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Am I the only one that woulda taken Mantha back for a 2nd and 4th?

Buchnevich is who I want but Mantha woulda been a decent consolation at a fraction of the price.

Would STL want Fabbri back? Fabbs, Berggren, 24 2nd, 25 1st for Buch? 

Ya, Mantha just might get himself a Cup this season. Especially if Vegas lands Guentzel and Stone comes back for the playoffs. He's gotta be very happy right now! I agree, at $2.8M, I would've taken him back as well!

[Troy McClure 347]

3 hours ago, Akakabuto said:

On this board? Probably.

Contract year so hes probably gonna try instead of diddling around chewing on his mouthguard

[Troy McClure 347]

Per Friedman

Vegas working on Hanafin

Cats working on Tarasenko

Oilers working on Henrique

[Troy McClure 347]

Pagnotta (so take with a grain of salt) says the Wings are one of the teams talking to Calgary about Hanafin, and that the Flames like Berggren coming back in a potential trade. 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

18 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Per Friedman

Vegas working on Hanafin

Cats working on Tarasenko

Oilers working on Henrique

phuck all of those teams

LOL Sens retain 50% on Tarasenko and get a 3rd and 4th back in return. 

Ottawa fans seeeeeething rn. LOVE IT!

[diehardredwingsfan58 157]

24 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Per Friedman

Vegas working on Hanafin

Cats working on Tarasenko

Oilers working on Henrique

won't accept a trade to Vegas, I see Vegas in on either Buchnevich or Guentzel.

Tarasenko to the Florida Panthers a done deal, 50% retained for a 3rd and 4th round pick.

Adam Henrique to Edmonton does make tons of sense.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Just now, diehardredwingsfan58 said:

won't accept a trade to Vegas, I see Vegas in on either Buchnevich or Guentzel.

Tarasenko to the Florida Panthers a done deal, 50% retained for a 3rd and 4th round pick.

Adam Henrique to Edmonton does make tons of sense.

READ THEN POST

[Troy McClure 347]

6 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

phuck all of those teams

LOL Sens retain 50% on Tarasenko and get a 3rd and 4th back in return. 

Ottawa fans seeeeeething rn. LOVE IT!

Apparently Vlad forced the trade to Florida with his NTC. I like Vlad. 

[diehardredwingsfan58 157]

2 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Apparently Vlad forced the trade to Florida with his NTC. I like Vlad. 

Yes because he has family in South Florida, So it makes tons of sense.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

2 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

Apparently Vlad forced the trade to Florida with his NTC. I like Vlad. 

You sign a UFA like Tarasenko for one year (when everyone knows he'll be a valuable trade piece) then give him a NMC? Doiron masterclass.