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[TLGTrico 655]

24 minutes ago, mackel said:

100% he drafted Zadina on hype and media draft rankings.  I believe they didn't do enough scouting on him assuming he'd be off the board. 

Funny enough, I honestly believe that's what happened with Shane Wright and Seattle

[bIueadams 776]

21 minutes ago, TLGTrico said:

Funny enough, I honestly believe that's what happened with Shane Wright and Seattle

Yup - Shane Wrong is a bum and the Kraken really blew that. He should have gone about 9 or 10 overall. Not top 4.

I watched a lot of the Seattle Thunderbirds this year and I really think Kevin Korchinski (7th overall to CHI) might be the pick of that draft. Really smooth skater. All over the ice. Great at moving the puck. Has Keith/Letang written all over him.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

3 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

Yup - Shane Wrong is a bum and the Kraken really blew that. He should have gone about 9 or 10 overall. Not top 4.

I watched a lot of the Seattle Thunderbirds this year and I really think Kevin Korchinski (7th overall to CHI) might be the pick of that draft. Really smooth skater. All over the ice. Great at moving the puck. Has Keith/Letang written all over him.

Youre like @Axl Foley with your predictions.

[bIueadams 776]

7 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Youre like @Axl Foley with your predictions.

yeah i just dont bet on losers like karem tyyayatayyev

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

20 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

yeah i just dont bet on losers like karem tyyayatayyev

kareem abdul jatutev

[bIueadams 776]

14 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

kareem abdul jatutev

[LeftWinger 5,110]

20 hours ago, mackel said:

100% he drafted Zadina on hype and media draft rankings.  I believe they didn't do enough scouting on him assuming he'd be off the board. 

In a land of "could haves," it makes me wonder if Detroit didn't fall from 4th to 6th in the 2018 draft, would Holland have drafted Tkachuk at 4, or still taken Zadina since he was touted as the 3rd best player in the draft? I'm still so mad that he took Zadina over Bouchard and Hughes, when that is all they talked about was Defense, Defense, Defense! We all debated over 4 D-men primarily leading up to that draft, Hughes, Bouchard, Boqvist and Dobson. Some people kicked around some forward names, but I don't think anybody picked Zadina. Of course, at the time, he was touted #3, so maybe nobody thought they'd get him. I do remember a lot of folks were happy with the pick, even more so when they got Veleno later. Some "insiders" said Holland won the draft. 

I'm gonna go back to that thread and read through it.

[Axl Foley 334]

6 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

In a land of "could haves," it makes me wonder if Detroit didn't fall from 4th to 6th in the 2018 draft, would Holland have drafted Tkachuk at 4, or still taken Zadina since he was touted as the 3rd best player in the draft? I'm still so mad that he took Zadina over Bouchard and Hughes, when that is all they talked about was Defense, Defense, Defense! We all debated over 4 D-men primarily leading up to that draft, Hughes, Bouchard, Boqvist and Dobson. Some people kicked around some forward names, but I don't think anybody picked Zadina. Of course, at the time, he was touted #3, so maybe nobody thought they'd get him. I do remember a lot of folks were happy with the pick, even more so when they got Veleno later. Some "insiders" said Holland won the draft. 

I'm gonna go back to that thread and read through it.

Nobody cares about defense when you can have the next Peter Bondra.

[LeftWinger 5,110]

15 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

In a land of "could haves," it makes me wonder if Detroit didn't fall from 4th to 6th in the 2018 draft, would Holland have drafted Tkachuk at 4, or still taken Zadina since he was touted as the 3rd best player in the draft? I'm still so mad that he took Zadina over Bouchard and Hughes, when that is all they talked about was Defense, Defense, Defense! We all debated over 4 D-men primarily leading up to that draft, Hughes, Bouchard, Boqvist and Dobson. Some people kicked around some forward names, but I don't think anybody picked Zadina. Of course, at the time, he was touted #3, so maybe nobody thought they'd get him. I do remember a lot of folks were happy with the pick, even more so when they got Veleno later. Some "insiders" said Holland won the draft. 

I'm gonna go back to that thread and read through it.

After reading through that long thread, I apologize because I was still pretty stupid back then, still complaining too much and yes, still having to endure my whole Tippet and Hague crap I put you all through. I also apologize, because it seems I was the first one to mention knabbing Zadina on page 1! In my defense though we ALL were interested in him and all pretty much said it would be a miracle if he fell to us! Also, for all the "I wish Holland would've drafted Hughes" talk I put out there now, it seems, throughout the thread, even though I do mention him now and then as one of the choices at D, I was all about Bouchard. I even bitched and moaned that if Holland drafted Hughes or Boqvist over Bouchard, it would be the same old Holland playbook! A playbook, it seems, that I was making up as the days went on! Again, apologies. But honestly throughout the thread, we all seemed excited of the chance to have Zadina to fall to us, but we were also hoping for a D with our first pick. We all loved Holland's 4 picks, Zadina, Veleno, Berggren and McIsaac. We still have three of them, Berg seems like the best of them. Which, of course, I was still on my anti-Euro rants back then too, in which I really, REALLY apologize for! I honestly think I was just becoming anti-Holland at the time. Thank Goodness Yzerman is here now! Thank Goodness that I changed who I was to who I am now. But, honestly, I did provide some quality entertainment for you guys!  My draft day/Trade Deadline and UFA meltdowns were and always will be epic! Franzen/Hudler and Tippet/Hague will go down as some of the best (and worst) banter on this forum! 

Drafts are a crapshoot, we all know this. We ALL pretty much fell for the Zadina Hype, as matter of fact here is the thread about that!

 

[Axl Foley 334]

On 9/11/2023 at 10:21 PM, bIueadams said:

Damn that body. 10/10

[mackel 758]

12 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

After reading through that long thread, I apologize because I was still pretty stupid back then, still complaining too much and yes, still having to endure my whole Tippet and Hague crap I put you all through. I also apologize, because it seems I was the first one to mention knabbing Zadina on page 1! In my defense though we ALL were interested in him and all pretty much said it would be a miracle if he fell to us! Also, for all the "I wish Holland would've drafted Hughes" talk I put out there now, it seems, throughout the thread, even though I do mention him now and then as one of the choices at D, I was all about Bouchard. I even bitched and moaned that if Holland drafted Hughes or Boqvist over Bouchard, it would be the same old Holland playbook! A playbook, it seems, that I was making up as the days went on! Again, apologies. But honestly throughout the thread, we all seemed excited of the chance to have Zadina to fall to us, but we were also hoping for a D with our first pick. We all loved Holland's 4 picks, Zadina, Veleno, Berggren and McIsaac. We still have three of them, Berg seems like the best of them. Which, of course, I was still on my anti-Euro rants back then too, in which I really, REALLY apologize for! I honestly think I was just becoming anti-Holland at the time. Thank Goodness Yzerman is here now! Thank Goodness that I changed who I was to who I am now. But, honestly, I did provide some quality entertainment for you guys!  My draft day/Trade Deadline and UFA meltdowns were and always will be epic! Franzen/Hudler and Tippet/Hague will go down as some of the best (and worst) banter on this forum! 

Drafts are a crapshoot, we all know this. We ALL pretty much fell for the Zadina Hype, as matter of fact here is the thread about that!

 

Not ALL...  again a few of us knew right from day 1!

[AtlantaHotWings 1,119]

10 hours ago, mackel said:

Not ALL...  again a few of us knew right from day 1!

Name me one time you were anti-Zadina....I kid I kid

I will give you credit. You were pretty much the one that called it from the start. 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

Yzerman signing Chiarot really sucks right now

[bIueadams 776]

How do we feel about this?

[Axl Foley 334]

3 hours ago, bIueadams said:

How do we feel about this?

It's accurate for the Wings.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

Buffalo WAY underrated

[Akakabuto 1,842]

7 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Buffalo WAY underrated

And Ottawa way overrated. 

12 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Yzerman signing Chiarot really sucks right now

It sucked from the beginning.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,119]

As I superglue my red homer glasses to my face.

       I will be the super duper unrealistic optimist and say we get a wild card this year. 

[kipwinger 8,742]

I think the Wings are going to be under-represented in these types of lists because they're primarily made by looking at statistical models that lack context. For example, their model is predicated on Dylan Larkin being the exact same player he's always been in the NHL. But is there any reason to think Dylan Larkin will outperform that expectation? I think so. He's got a legit top winger for the first time in his career AND for the first time in his career there's enough depth that he can't be keyed on all season. In addition, the powerplay is going to be better. For those three reasons I'd expect Larkin to have a career year this year. Likewise, the model is predicated on losing Bertuzzi, Vrana, and Hronek. All of those players' values (in the model) are determined by their careers up to this point, but with the exception of Hronek neither of the other two contributed to the team last year in any meaningful way. Likewise, guys like Ras, Raymond, Berggren, Seider, and (maybe) Edvinsson are all poised for a breakout and the model won't capture that because they don't have a track record to build on. Then there's the obvious improvements in goal and on the defense (Gostisbehere and Petry combined for 40 pts last season).

The other thing these models don't account for (and can't) is inevitable injuries. What if Marchand gets hurt? Or Crosby? Those teams ahead of us aren't deep enough to sustain those types of injuries and they happen all the time.

Obviously we need to win the games we play, especially against the Eastern Conference teams, but I think we're in a good position to do that.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 133]

1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

Then there's the obvious improvements in goal and on the defense (Gostisbehere and Petry combined for 40 pts last season).

Gost had that on his own last season. 41 last season and 51 the season before. I expect him to be in that range again this season. Gost and Petry combined for 73 points last season.

Gostisbehere - 41 points > Hronek - 38 points

Petry - 31 points > Oesterle - 11 points

Holl - 18 points > Lindstrom - 8 points + Hagg - 7 points

You didn't mention Walman as a breakout candidate. If he's paired with Seider all season, he could take the biggest step of any Red Wing.

[kipwinger 8,742]

6 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said:

Gost had that on his own last season. 41 last season and 51 the season before. I expect him to be in that range again this season. Gost and Petry combined for 73 points last season.

Gostisbehere - 41 points > Hronek - 38 points

Petry - 31 points > Oesterle - 11 points

Holl - 18 points > Lindstrom - 8 points + Hagg - 7 points

You didn't mention Walman as a breakout candidate. If he's paired with Seider all season, he could take the biggest step of any Red Wing.

Yeah, good catch. I meant to say each of Ghost and Petry had 40(ish) points (I was posting from memory and throught Petry had 41 pts and not 31 pts).

I agree about Walman. I think his goal scoring will be high but his point totals will be low though. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[bIueadams 776]

9 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Yeah, good catch. I meant to say each of Ghost and Petry had 40(ish) points (I was posting from memory and throught Petry had 41 pts and not 31 pts).

I agree about Walman. I think his goal scoring will be high but his point totals will be low though. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Walman - 13 goals, 15 assists, 28 pts

[kipwinger 8,742]

Just now, bIueadams said:

Walman - 13 goals, 15 assists, 28 pts

He looked good tonight, created a lot of chances. I could see it.

[bIueadams 776]

How do we feel about this?

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

58 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

How do we feel about this?

3 years? Maybe 5years. There's no way Tronna n Avalanche disappear this soon. 

But I'll take it.