bIueadams 776 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 The C version of Seider 1 redw1ngs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 Not excited about this guy yet. Zadina potential, but we will see if he reaches it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,675 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 I love this pick. Also love the Amadeus Lombardi pick. That's a sleeper. Kid looked really skilled at the development camp, just needs to get bigger. Big fan of the 2nd rounders too. Huge draft for Detroit. 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 Kasper will be good. Wright is the one with Zadina potential. I wanted Savoie or Kasper, so no complaints here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 Kasper was an elite pick. SY doesnt miss on 1st round picks (unless he has 2 1st round picks)........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,675 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 Did any of you guys get to watch the development camp 3 on 3 tournament? If not, check out the games on youtube. You'll be surprised at how skilled Kasper can be. Fans and draft analysts kept saying he didn't have the skill of some other guys. That's not what I saw in the tournament. If he'd been in the CHL he'd have posted gaudy numbers and nobody would have thought that. 1 redw1ngs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ely s 458 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 41 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Did any of you guys get to watch the development camp 3 on 3 tournament? If not, check out the games on youtube. You'll be surprised at how skilled Kasper can be. Fans and draft analysts kept saying he didn't have the skill of some other guys. That's not what I saw in the tournament. If he'd been in the CHL he'd have posted gaudy numbers and nobody would have thought that. It was the same with Seider three years ago. People tend to forget that the european leagues are no development leagues like the AHL. The kids have to play against grown men at the age of 17 and if you don´t play the right way you´re not playing. That´s why their offensive potential is sometimes overlooked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,675 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, ely s said: It was the same with Seider three years ago. People tend to forget that the european leagues are no development leagues like the AHL. The kids have to play against grown men at the age of 17 and if you don´t play the right way you´re not playing. That´s why their offensive potential is sometimes overlooked. Totally agree. And to be clear, he wasn't out there playing like Patrick Kane or anything. But he seemed to display just as many puck skills as guys like Cutter Gauthier, Shane Wright, or Frank Nazer (none of whom were criticized as having limited offensive upside). And unlike those guys his game is FAST. I don't mean "he's fast", as in, straight line skating. I mean the tempo of his game is crazy. He's always moving. So all the skill he displays is at a high speed and in game situations. This isn't Tomas Jurco trick stick handling in the locker room. This is a dude dragging pucks through defenders legs and no-look passing while taking the puck end to end a top speed. He'll be fine. Edited July 19, 2022 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 Sheesh! We're back, but dang it sucked not being here during the draft and UFA day! ....anyhow... Trust the #Yzerplan! I was on team Savoie, but Kasper is coming from a men's league, and looks like he'll be playing one more season there. Probably more ready to play when he gets here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 38 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Totally agree. And to be clear, he wasn't out there playing like Patrick Kane or anything. But he seemed to display just as many puck skills as guys like Cutter Gauthier, Shane Wright, or Frank Nazer (none of whom were criticized as having limited offensive upside). And unlike those guys his game is FAST. I don't mean "he's fast", as in, straight line skating. I mean the tempo of his game is crazy. He's always moving. So all the skill he displays is at a high speed and in game situations. This isn't Tomas Jurco trick stick handling in the locker room. This is a dude dragging pucks through defenders legs and no-look passing while taking the puck end to end a top speed. He'll be fine. Shane Wright is gonna be a bust. He was invisible at the WJC, and in his media interviews leading up to the draft he came off as a weirdo. Apparently, he bombed his team interviews too. The dude will never be the guy who elevates his game to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 as much as I wanted us to draft Savoie, not enough can be said about a 17 year old playing in a men's league compared to 17 year old's playing each other. Sometimes we get blinded by inflated stats! That is why I will never trust 99% of the players coming out of the Q! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: as much as I wanted us to draft Savoie, not enough can be said about a 17 year old playing in a men's league compared to 17 year old's playing each other. Sometimes we get blinded by inflated stats! That is why I will never trust 99% of the players coming out of the Q! My love for Savoie is based on his IQ, work ethic, skill, and speed. All the fundamentals are there along with the right attitude. The scoring in junior is just icing on the cake tbh. While Kasper doesn't have that same level of skill, he has the other tools in spades, along with more grit and size. It was always gonna be a win/win regardless of which Yzerman got. 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,831 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 Stevie said at the draft that they thought his skill is underrated. If the Red Wings are right, this kid is gonna be a beast! 1 redw1ngs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 Not let's sign Mathews in 2 years and make the league bow to us once more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,675 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, marcaractac said: Shane Wright is gonna be a bust. He was invisible at the WJC, and in his media interviews leading up to the draft he came off as a weirdo. Apparently, he bombed his team interviews too. The dude will never be the guy who elevates his game to win. Dude has ZERO personality. 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, kipwinger said: Dude has ZERO personality. He is also awkward as f*** and has this weird, unearned arrogance about him. Like, McDavid has no personality either, but god damn that dude took his team on his back in the playoffs this year. I don't see any of that in Wright. He reeks of passenger. Wright will be the bust of the 2022 draft. Zadina all over again, except this time the role of Ken Holland was played by Ron Francis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted July 19, 2022 Wright wont be the top player out of this draft maybe not even top 5 but he wont be a bust. Hell likely go back to Kingston and put up 2pts/gp this season and then go to Seattle and put up over 0.5pts/gp next season. I think hell be close to a pt/gp 2way center in his prime yrs. Agree tho that he seems like a tool. The dirty looks he was giving the montreal table at the draft was major cringe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 212 Report post Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 10:14 AM, kipwinger said: Did any of you guys get to watch the development camp 3 on 3 tournament? If not, check out the games on youtube. You'll be surprised at how skilled Kasper can be. Fans and draft analysts kept saying he didn't have the skill of some other guys. That's not what I saw in the tournament. If he'd been in the CHL he'd have posted gaudy numbers and nobody would have thought that. I watched quite a bit of it. The timing of the dev camp tourney and the end of the NHL playoffs gave me some perspective about Kasper. He plays playoff hockey all the time, fast, good vision and controls the puck and the flow really well. I didn't think he was going to be that good. Lombardi was great 3 on 3 but I wonder how the lack of space will translate playing 5 on 5. Getting bigger and stronger will help him as the kid has a nose for the net. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted July 24, 2022 14 hours ago, town123 said: I watched quite a bit of it. The timing of the dev camp tourney and the end of the NHL playoffs gave me some perspective about Kasper. He plays playoff hockey all the time, fast, good vision and controls the puck and the flow really well. I didn't think he was going to be that good. Lombardi was great 3 on 3 but I wonder how the lack of space will translate playing 5 on 5. Getting bigger and stronger will help him as the kid has a nose for the net. I can't say enough about how Kasper appears to be Seider 2.0 Going into the draft Seider had: limited ice time was focused on defense was big and mature physically Wings felt his offensive skills went massively overlooked Going into this draft Kasper was: limited in ice time focused on defense big and mature physically Wings felt his offensive skills went massively overlooked Seider was our Pronger. Kasper is our Kopitar. 3 redw1ngs, town123 and Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted July 24, 2022 8 hours ago, bIueadams said: I can't say enough about how Kasper appears to be Seider 2.0 Going into the draft Seider had: limited ice time was focused on defense was big and mature physically Wings felt his offensive skills went massively overlooked Going into this draft Kasper was: limited in ice time focused on defense big and mature physically Wings felt his offensive skills went massively overlooked Seider was our Pronger. Kasper is our Kopitar. im hoping we get keith premeau out of him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 212 Report post Posted July 24, 2022 I'm hoping Hank 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: im hoping we get keith premeau out of him Minus the inflated ego... 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 26, 2022 Wasn't surprised. Total Yzerman pick. Not excited about it as I worry about his top 6 offensive potential. We will see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Wasn't surprised. Total Yzerman pick. Not excited about it as I worry about his top 6 offensive potential. We will see. How original. Which article did you read that from? I side with Yzerman saying that Kasper has underrated skill the same thing he said about Seider after all the pundits questioned his offensive skill. Kasper is a great skater with elite hockey iq and compete all things Yzerman covets. Marco will be elite just like Moritz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted July 26, 2022 36 minutes ago, redw1ngs said: How original. Which article did you read that from? I side with Yzerman saying that Kasper has underrated skill the same thing he said about Seider after all the pundits questioned his offensive skill. Kasper is a great skater with elite hockey iq and compete all things Yzerman covets. Marco will be elite just like Moritz. Some folks never learn. Yzerman got exactly who he wanted. Watch Kasper going #1 in a redraft in a few seasons just like Seider. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
