New New Prospects Thread

[Jimmybigrigs69 289]

8 pts in 9 games for ASP. #2 among Dmen in the entire league. Looking like the best U20 Swede in the world right now. 

[Scott R Lucidi 663]

4 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

8 pts in 9 games for ASP. #2 among Dmen in the entire league. Looking like the best U20 Swede in the world right now. 

Good thing we have him Re-Learning the European Rink for the 5th straight year.  Would have been stupid to have him in North America this year to get used to the North American rink.  We need him to be as used to European hockey as possible all the way through Dylan Larkin's prime.  As soon as Dylan starts to slow down in 3-4 years, that's when we want ASP to pop up to the NHL.  That way, we can be average for the longest amount of time possible.  If I'm the SCAM, I'm not waiting too long to get Chiarot, Petry, and Husso re-signed.  That's got to be priority #1.  ASP, Kasper, Danielson, Cossa, Augustine, MBN, Tuomisto, Buium, and Wallinder need another 4-5 years in Grand Rapids.  They are nowhere near ripe enough to replace guys like Motte, Fischer, Chiarot, Petry, Husso, and Lyon.  And competing for the services of Hampus Lindholm, Philip Broberg, and Dylan Holloway - FORGET IT.  Those guys sucked.  We're much better off spending that 16 million on Holl, Lageson, Chiarot, Petry, Husso, Fischer, Motte, Gustaffson, Walman, Kostin, Watson, etc.  We want a revolving door of misfits from other teams that nobody will pick up if we put them on waivers taking a good amount of our cap space.  That way, we don't have the room to add (8) first round picks to the line up (Lindholm 6OA, Broberg 8OA, Holloway 14 OA, ASP 17 OA, Kasper 8 OA, Danielson 9 OA, Cossa 15 OA, MBN 15 OA).  That would be so STUPID to add (8) first round draft picks.  1st round draft picks never pan out in the NHL.  And most of them are lazy and suck.  Glad we have the SCAM running the show.  I'm looking forward to seeing what struggling fringe NHL players he adds at the deadline and in UFA during 2025, and seeing how long we keep our 1st round picks ripening outside of Detroit.  And if you think that's WHY it's painful to watch the Red Wings right now, you're WRONG.  We've just been really unlucky the last 2 seasons and the start of this one.  The SCAM knows what he's doing.

Edited October 15 by Scott R Lucidi

[Akakabuto 1,831]

5 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Would have been stupid to have him in North America this year to get used to the North American rink.

Is this still true? Feels like a lot of euros, especially swedes, play alot of hockey on NA sized rinks in their younger years. They've got camps over there and play a lot of tournaments on NA ice.

[Scott R Lucidi 663]

5 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Is this still true? Feels like a lot of euros, especially swedes, play alot of hockey on NA sized rinks in their younger years. They've got camps over there and play a lot of tournaments on NA ice.

 

13 Feet Wider and 3 Feet Shorter in the SHL vs the NHL.

 

The ice rinks used in the Swedish Hockey League (SHL) are 30 meters by 60 meters (98.42 ft by 196.85 ft), which meets international standards. 

 

 

Here are some other dimensions of an ice hockey rink: 

 

 

• Faceoff circle: 29.5 ft (9 m) in diameter 
   
   

• Referee's crease: 19.75 ft (6 m) in diameter 
   
   

• Corner radius: 8.5 meters (27.9 ft) 
   
   
• Goal line: 4 meters (13.1 ft) from the end boards 
   
   
• Blue line: 22.86 meters (75.0 ft) from the end boards 
   
   
• Goal crease: 12 ft (3.66 m) in diameter 
   
   
• Faceoff spot: 1 ft (.3 m) in the center, 2 ft (.6 m) elsewhere 
   
   

The ice surface is typically a thin layer of ice over a painted concrete base. The ideal thickness of the ice is 3/4 of an inch (1.905 centimeters) so that it's hard enough for a fast game. 

[Akakabuto 1,831]

10 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

13 Feet Wider and 3 Feet Shorter in the SHL vs the NHL.

I know theres still a difference. But its not like in the 90s anymore with players first time stepping foot on NA ice when coming over. Top prospects already know what the ice looks like and feels like by the time they get drafted..

 

[Scott R Lucidi 663]

2 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

I know theres still a difference. But its not like in the 90s anymore with players first time stepping foot on NA ice when coming over. Top prospects already know what the ice looks like and feels like by the time they get drafted..

 

Just say "I agree, Scott".  It's easier, my guy.

[Akakabuto 1,831]

2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Just say "I agree, Scott".  It's easier, my guy.

I do not agree with acclimation-thru-AHL. Its not needed in many cases. 
 

Anyways, difnt mean to sidetrack, lets get back to your rants. I agree with a lot of those. 

[Axl Foley 318]

On 10/15/2024 at 4:43 PM, Akakabuto said:

I do not agree with acclimation-thru-AHL. Its not needed in many cases. 
 

Anyways, difnt mean to sidetrack, lets get back to your rants. I agree with a lot of those. 

Raymond, no. Seider, yes. It really depends on the player. What I do know is that no GM with at least 2 brain cells is going to leave an NHL ready top 4 dman in Europe when he is desperately lacking them on his NHL roster. Regardless of what Scott says, SY is not that dumb.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,080]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Scott R Lucidi 663]

22 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

Raymond, no. Seider, yes. It really depends on the player. What I do know is that no GM with at least 2 brain cells is going to leave an NHL ready top 4 dman in Europe when he is desperately lacking them on his NHL roster. Regardless of what Scott says, the SCAM is not that dumb.

He's a joke. 

[town123 200]

1 hour ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

bump to see if this goes above abortion pills worldwide

 

argh....

[kipwinger 8,621]

Another sick play from Lombardi in yesterday's Griffins game. This kid is really taking it to another level so far this season. He's definitely gotten bigger and stronger, but I think a lot of it was just getting the opportunity. He was buried behind Kasper and a few AHL veterans (notably Czarnik) in the depth chart last season. Now he's getting prime opportunities and making them count. Having a genuine offensive creator in our farm system is a pleasant surprise. He reminds me of the forward version of ASP. He's not a workhorse and you're not going to rely on him for those tough two-way minutes you'll get from Kasper and Danielson, and you'll likely have to shelter him a bit at even strength (though he's pretty tenacious defensively). But as a 3rd line center (or top six winger) that can play on the powerplay and provide that easy offense he has a lot of value. 

[Scott R Lucidi 663]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Another sick play from Lombardi in yesterday's Griffins game. This kid is really taking it to another level so far this season. He's definitely gotten bigger and stronger, but I think a lot of it was just getting the opportunity. He was buried behind Kasper and a few AHL veterans (notably Czarnik) in the depth chart last season. Now he's getting prime opportunities and making them count. Having a genuine offensive creator in our farm system is a pleasant surprise. He reminds me of the forward version of ASP. He's not a workhorse and you're not going to rely on him for those tough two-way minutes you'll get from Kasper and Danielson, and you'll likely have to shelter him a bit at even strength (though he's pretty tenacious defensively). But as a 3rd line center (or top six winger) that can play on the powerplay and provide that easy offense he has a lot of value. 

I love your commentary.  I think it's important to realize that once we play all of our good, young, fast draft picks, we don't have to have 18 skaters focusing on shut down full court press defense all the time.  Unlike Axl who I feel is wrong 95% of the time, I believe that it's just as important to have a team that can SKATE and TRANSITION quickly to keep the other team focused on playing shut down defense all the time.  This is why I want to see our first rounders (and wanted to see Broberg and Holloway) play instead of a bunch of SEX TOYS and crappy UFA pick ups.  Do you need forwards like Datsyuk/Fedorov/Draper that can tilt the ice with their defense and offense?  Sure.  You can't have 12 guys that just skate well and have zero skill.  But if you have the choice between a guy like Lombardi that skates like the wind and is offensively creative but not extremely gifted like Dats/Feds/Drapes, you play that guy over a guy like Motte or Watson 10 times out of 10.  And same with ASP/Johansson/Wallinder/Buium.  You don't put SEX TOYS in front of younger guys that have potential to develop into good 2-way transition defensemen.  This team has a hard time playing against the tougher opponents in the league because the old SEX TOYS can't keep up and generally aren't good defensemen.  We need to change that.

 

Side note - how do you feel about Johansson, Kip?  I've focused on him the last 3-4 games, and I LOVE his game.  Silent Assassin.  He's tough for his size, gets in the way, and has a great positional awareness.  I thought it was going to take him 30-45 games to catch up to the slight step up in speed of the NHL vs AHL.  Nope.  He's there.  Took him about 2-3 games.  He's going to be a good partner for ASP for a VERY LONG TIME hopefully.

[kipwinger 8,621]

29 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

I love your commentary.  I think it's important to realize that once we play all of our good, young, fast draft picks, we don't have to have 18 skaters focusing on shut down full court press defense all the time.  Unlike Axl who I feel is wrong 95% of the time, I believe that it's just as important to have a team that can SKATE and TRANSITION quickly to keep the other team focused on playing shut down defense all the time.  This is why I want to see our first rounders (and wanted to see Broberg and Holloway) play instead of a bunch of SEX TOYS and crappy UFA pick ups.  Do you need forwards like Datsyuk/Fedorov/Draper that can tilt the ice with their defense and offense?  Sure.  You can't have 12 guys that just skate well and have zero skill.  But if you have the choice between a guy like Lombardi that skates like the wind and is offensively creative but not extremely gifted like Dats/Feds/Drapes, you play that guy over a guy like Motte or Watson 10 times out of 10.  And same with ASP/Johansson/Wallinder/Buium.  You don't put SEX TOYS in front of younger guys that have potential to develop into good 2-way transition defensemen.  This team has a hard time playing against the tougher opponents in the league because the old SEX TOYS can't keep up and generally aren't good defensemen.  We need to change that.

 

Side note - how do you feel about Johansson, Kip?  I've focused on him the last 3-4 games, and I LOVE his game.  Silent Assassin.  He's tough for his size, gets in the way, and has a great positional awareness.  I thought it was going to take him 30-45 games to catch up to the slight step up in speed of the NHL vs AHL.  Nope.  He's there.  Took him about 2-3 games.  He's going to be a good partner for ASP for a VERY LONG TIME hopefully.

 

I have a lot of time for Johansson. He needs to get a lot stronger, but that'll come with full time professional training. But here's why I like him. Last season I was watching a GR game in which the Griffins had pulled their goalie late in the game trying to tie things up. As it happened, the opposition got possession of the puck and one of their skaters was in on a breakaway...with our goalie pulled. Guaranteed goal right? For sure. But what did Johansson do? Busted his ass on the back check and absolutely demolished the opposition skater. He'd rather have the refs award the goal than give one up while he was on the ice. I loved it. Johansson is a gamer, he's smart, and he seems to always be on winning teams. That's not a coincidence. He'll need a little more acclimation in the NHL before he grabs a full time job, but that's fully what I expect him to do.

[Scott R Lucidi 663]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

 

I have a lot of time for Johansson. He needs to get a lot stronger, but that'll come with full time professional training. But here's why I like him. Last season I was watching a GR game in which the Griffins had pulled their goalie late in the game trying to tie things up. As it happened, the opposition got possession of the puck and one of their skaters was in on a breakaway...with our goalie pulled. Guaranteed goal right? For sure. But what did Johansson do? Busted his ass on the back check and absolutely demolished the opposition skater. He'd rather have the refs award the goal than give one up while he was on the ice. I loved it. Johansson is a gamer, he's smart, and he seems to always be on winning teams. That's not a coincidence. He'll need a little more acclimation in the NHL before he grabs a full time job, but that's fully what I expect him to do.

The problem with hockey sometimes is people get caught up on hitting the stat sheets.  So a guy like Butt Plug that puts up 30 points a year gets a favorable nod over a guy like Johansson that puts up 10 points.  The average joe doesn't see that Johansson kept the other team out of our defensive zone for 15 more seconds a shift than Butt Plug did, leading to our forwards being able to attack 15 seconds more every shift.  And so far, that's exactly what I'm seeing out of Johansson.  I'm not writing him off offensively, because I think he'll be utilized for that too when the time comes.  But I'm definitely writing him IN when it comes to his work from the red line back to our goal line.  He's positionally solid at all times and always has his head up for the play like Lids and Krownall did.  So like you said, when that extra 10 lbs of muscle in his upper body come, he'll be able to handle the board battles a little more effectively like Seider and Edvinsson do.  That will round out his game.