redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted October 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Bud, you REALLY need to pay attention. Last game, against the Pens on 10/3, Raymond and Vrana combined for ZERO points. neither the box score, nor the "statcards" I posted above suggest they were good in that game. So I'm not sure what you're basing your opinion on here? The game before that, when they combined for 4 points against the Blackhawks they WERE the best players on the ice and both the box scores and the "statcards" I posted above support that. You're right, stats don't lie. You clearly don't have a clue though. Hard to imagine why I don't put any faith in the eyeball test though. The only 1 with a point between Ed and Jo is Big Ed. Stats dont lie. What else doesnt lie is deployment by the coach. Edvinsson is trusted more in all situations for good reason hes the better player. 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted October 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, redw1ngs said: The only 1 with a point between Ed and Jo is Big Ed. Stats dont lie. What else doesnt lie is deployment by the coach. Edvinsson is trusted more in all situations for good reason hes the better player. This. And it's night and day. It's not like Lindstrom vs. Hronek. It's like Lindstrom vs. Seider. Johansson will not start over Edvinsson based on skill EVER in his career. Edvinsson is superior in every single aspect of the game. Kip is like one of these Cade NcNamara fanboys trying to say Cade should start because of his "game management" abilities. Nope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted October 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: This. And it's night and day. It's not like Lindstrom vs. Hronek. It's like Lindstrom vs. Seider. Johansson will not start over Edvinsson based on skill EVER in his career. Edvinsson is superior in every single aspect of the game. Kip is like one of these Cade NcNamara fanboys trying to say Cade should start because of his "game management" abilities. Nope. I mostly agree except for the disparity between the 2. There is a gap imo but I dont think its large. Its clear Edvinsson is ahead based on usage paired with nhlers while Johansson paired with ahlers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 212 Report post Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: From here on I'll have to charge you for these types of lessons in critical thinking. Will you accept Canadian Tire Money? 1 bIueadams reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted October 5, 2022 Man Im old. It took me way to long to figure out how to link a tweet but finally got it I think..... Imo you live with the rookie mistakes the few there are when a 19yo can move the puck like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted October 5, 2022 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted October 6, 2022 Edvinsson had a rough game his worst this preseason imo last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,675 Report post Posted October 6, 2022 3 hours ago, redw1ngs said: Edvinsson had a rough game his worst this preseason imo last night. At least you're honest enough to admit it. He was baaaaaad last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,675 Report post Posted October 6, 2022 Edvinsson was absolutely out to lunch pretty much the whole game. In the highlights package below you can see him getting beat pretty bad 1:15, 4:15, 6:15, 7:32 (of the video, not the game). Three of those ended in goals, one should have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted October 6, 2022 53 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Edvinsson was absolutely out to lunch pretty much the whole game. In the highlights package below you can see him getting beat pretty bad 1:15, 4:15, 6:15, 7:32 (of the video, not the game). Three of those ended in goals, one should have. He shouldnt be rewarded with a roster spot for this kinda play. Hes gonna up like lazy Mantha. Makes one appreciate just how good Seider is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,675 Report post Posted October 6, 2022 Fully agree, he needs to be in GR to clean up his game. Defense is hard and he's really really young. My overall thoughts on his long term projections remain the same, but he's very obviously not ready for the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,831 Report post Posted October 6, 2022 If he need a start in GR as a wake up call, then do it. He should be up in the big league in no time. No better option on this team for 3LD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted October 6, 2022 The team has had shyte defensemen for 10 years. We get a blue chip prospect and fans want him in the minors. Go figure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted October 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: The team has had shyte defensemen for 10 years. We get a blue chip prospect and fans want him in the minors. Go figure. Yeah. I'm OOsting right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted October 7, 2022 11 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: The team has had shyte defensemen for 10 years. We get a blue chip prospect and fans want him in the minors. Go figure. Fans don't want his development botched by putting him in the NHL too quickly. Yzerman is gonna look out for what's in the best interest of the team in the long term. Johansson doesn't have the level of skill Edvinsson has. But he plays a much more well-rounded game at this stage and should be the one to win the roster spot for opening night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, marcaractac said: Fans don't want his development botched by putting him in the NHL too quickly. HERESAY Yzerman is gonna look out for what's in the best interest of the team in the long term. TRUE. Johansson doesn't have the level of skill Edvinsson has. TRUE But he plays a much more well-rounded game at this stage and should be the one to win the roster spot for opening night. FALSE Get used to Eddog. He's awesome! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Get used to Eddog. He's awesome! Edvinsson is currently a disaster in his own zone, and that s*** has to be worked on. It's possible to think he is a great prospect while also thinking he needs a little refinement in the AHL. It shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, marcaractac said: Edvinsson is currently a disaster in his own zone, and that s*** has to be worked on. It's possible to think he is a great prospect while also thinking he needs a little refinement in the AHL. It shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend. It's also possible to KNOW that the AWESOME #6 oa pick prospect needing refinement to go from being a more than serviceable NHL regular 3rd pairing guy to NHL all-star is much better than a 2nd round pick needing refinement to go from playing top line in Grand Rapids to cracking the NHL club's roster. Marc, Edvinsson is a blue chip prospect. He's superlative. What youre saying right now is the equivalent of the Red Wings sending Yzerman down to GR in 1984-1985. Not happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted October 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: It's also possible to KNOW that the AWESOME #6 oa pick prospect needing refinement to go from being a more than serviceable NHL regular 3rd pairing guy to NHL all-star is much better than a 2nd round pick needing refinement to go from playing top line in Grand Rapids to cracking the NHL club's roster. Marc, Edvinsson is a blue chip prospect. He's superlative. What youre saying right now is the equivalent of the Red Wings sending Yzerman down to GR in 1984-1985. Not happening. Serviceable 3rd pairing dmen tend to be capable in their own zone. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted October 7, 2022 Seider was a better Dman at the same age and didnt make the team. The real discussion that should be taking place is Hagg v Oesterle for Lindstroms partner. 2 Rick D and marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted October 8, 2022 Eddog made the team. Woooooi!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,675 Report post Posted October 8, 2022 Three point night for Amadeus Lombardi: And Carter Mazur continuing what he started last year: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 212 Report post Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) A laser from Mazur...haha Also.. Elmer's goal was ankle breaking! Such sweet hands. Edited October 8, 2022 by town123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 1,089 Report post Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Eddog made the team. Woooooi!!!! Give him a year to wreck it in the AHL keep learning the system etc. Then next year he is probably in the bigs. There is no disgrace in that approach plus might make him more hungry. Forgot about Hagg...https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2022/10/robert-hagg-joins-group-vying-for-red-wings-third-defense-pairing.html find it funny that the person who hit Hagg was..... Hagg said of the shot from Edvinsson during that camp scrimmage: “I just saw it in the last second coming straight towards my eyes. The reaction I guess is turn my head.” Guess we will see at 5PM on Monday if Edvinsson makes it my money is no ... Edited October 8, 2022 by AtlantaHotWings added info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted October 8, 2022 2 hours ago, AtlantaHotWings said: Give him a year to wreck it in the AHL keep learning the system etc. Then next year he is probably in the bigs. There is no disgrace in that approach plus might make him more hungry. Forgot about Hagg...https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2022/10/robert-hagg-joins-group-vying-for-red-wings-third-defense-pairing.html find it funny that the person who hit Hagg was..... Hagg said of the shot from Edvinsson during that camp scrimmage: “I just saw it in the last second coming straight towards my eyes. The reaction I guess is turn my head.” Guess we will see at 5PM on Monday if Edvinsson makes it my money is no ... He's already on the team, bro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
