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[Akakabuto 1,842]

Red Wings Prospect Simon Edvinsson “a Monster” at Four Nations Tourney

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A source, with ties to the Swedish team, told Detroit Hockey Now that Edvinssson “was a monster” in the game.

“He looks better than Rasmus Dahlin did at the same age,” the source said. “He has the same offensive game and is much stronger.”

Simon Edvinsson, 18, plays at high-caliber level for Frolunda in the Swedish League. He has one goal and eight assists for nine points in 16 games. He owns a +7 plus-minus. The 6-foot-4 defenseman suffered a minor injury, but it wasn’t serious enough to keep him out of the Four Nations Tournament. Edvinsson will play for Sweden’s U-20 at the World Junior Championships.

Edvinsson is a full-service defenseman. He plays physical, is mindful of his defensive play and carries the puck with authority.

“You have to go back to Victor Hedman to find a comparable Swedish D-man, aged 18,” the source said. “The Red Wings have a gem in Simon.”

 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

1 minute ago, Akakabuto said:

Red Wings Prospect Simon Edvinsson “a Monster” at Four Nations Tourney

 

But Dahlin sucks tho

[Akakabuto 1,842]

Just now, The 91 of Ryans said:

But Dahlin sucks tho

Well, he didn't when at the age mentioned

[Akakabuto 1,842]

And I like the Hedman comparison better.

[Akakabuto 1,842]

Berggren now have 7 points in the last 6 games.

[ely s 458]

just keep rollin´

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

8 hours ago, ely s said:

just keep rollin´

that was a heavy wristshot

[kipwinger 8,751]

21 hours ago, ely s said:

just keep rollin´

I'm going to preface this by saying that Wallinder has consistently proved me wrong this season and I know it. He's produced much better than I thought possible. With that said, I see his scoring highlights and I'm still not convinced of his offense. He's got lots of goals like this, and there's just no chance that shot gets through in the NHL. I'll be happy if he continues to prove me wrong, but I'm still very skeptical.

[ely s 458]

11 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I'm going to preface this by saying that Wallinder has consistently proved me wrong this season and I know it. He's produced much better than I thought possible. With that said, I see his scoring highlights and I'm still not convinced of his offense. He's got lots of goals like this, and there's just no chance that shot gets through in the NHL. I'll be happy if he continues to prove me wrong, but I'm still very skeptical.

This is U20 hockey and I´m totally aware of that. He´s a 2nd rd pick and SY has shown some skill in finding good dmen. I´m just happy that he´s found some confidence and the points keep coming. Confidence is an important part of development and he´s doing well. Really good skater, playing third line minutes, contributing offensively while not giving up much. Looks like a good pick, time will tell.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

That shot looked like he was launching a bowling ball. That shot gets to the back of the net about 1 out of 100 times in the NHL.

4 hours ago, Yzerplan said:

Stupid or not, I always like to think about the 97 team JimmyD and Bowman built in relation to what Yzerman's building now (if I knew Tampa better, maybe I'd think about that team instead).

The thing about that 97 team.  It was virtually 60+ minutes of the exact same quality play every night.  Three very balanced lines, Yzerman, Fedorov and Larionov centering combinations of Shannahan, Lapointe, Kozlov, Doug Brown, Sandstrom and McCarty.  Two elite defensemen on the ice together for like 50 minutes a game (Lindstrom, Murphy, Vlad, Fetisov).  Outstanding specialists/role guys (Draper, Maltby, Kocur, Ward, Rouse).  It was just 60 minutes of very high quality play every night.  Very few mistakes.  And talent that could make you pay at any time.  They just wore teams down.

#1.  I do think you need 3 really good centers (/good, balanced lines) in today's game.  We've got one.  Need two more.  Maybe top of the 22 draft we get one.  Maybe the third is already under club control (a less talked about prospect / someone who will move to center).  Maybe its a 23 1st rd'er.  Maybe it's a FA/trade.  We'll see.

#2.  I too think that you need 4 elite DMen.  In Seider and Edvinsson we might have two.  I don't doubt that a 3rd emerges out of Johansson/Wallinder/Buium/Viro/Tuo/Sebrango.  Might still need to acquire a 4th though.  Preferably a righty.  

#3.  Wingers.  Raymond.  Vrana.  Bertuzzi.  One elite-looking guy and two really solid wings already.  Soderblom, Tyutyayev look like future good NHL players to me.  Adding a bigtime powerforward to the mix might be wise.

#4.  Specialists/role-players..  Drapers, Maltbys, Kocurs.  Steve will find those guys.  Everyone on that 97 team was dressed for a reason.  We'll have that eventually here too.  Think there's certainly an Aaron Ward-esque guy who emerges out of the current prospect pool.  Maybe Nick Leddy is a guy who turns into a veteran Bob Rouse-type.  That Zito kid is interesting to me.  Mastrosimone still.  The Mazur kid and Savage I'm hoping make team USA and get big minutes.  Veleno, Niederbach, Hanas, LDNilsson, Grewe.  Don't really see a good modern playable fighter in the pipeline at the moment though.

#5.  Goalies.  Never know with goalies.  But we got about the best lotto ticket you can buy in Cossa.  And idk.  Does anyone think Ned isn't already close to what Osgood was talent-wise?

#6.  Coach.  He's not here yet.

(I don't anticipate Ras, Zadina, Hronek being here much longer.  Would love to be wrong)

I'm one of his bigger fans and I completely agree.  I think he's going to be an outstanding defensive player.  A physical presence.  A capabale NHL puck handler and passer.  And a guy who occasionally rips off some nice shots or gets loose near the net.  Maybe not a PP guy on a great team.  But I certainly think he's got top-4 potential

This team isn't going to win with elite talent. They are going to have to win with depth. The only position of need that we don't have on the roster or in the pipeline is another top 6 C to play 1C/2C.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[ely s 458]

							Detroit Red Wings 2021-2022 Skater stats   N Player Team League GP G A TP PPG PIM +/- 1. Taro Hirose (LW) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 11 2 11 13 1.18 0 -2 2. Riley Barber (RW) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 11 5 6 11 1.00 6 -2 3. Chase Pearson (C/LW) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 11 3 6 9 0.82 4 -4 4. Jonatan Berggren (W/C) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 11 3 5 8 0.73 0 2 5. Ryan Murphy (D) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 11 2 5 7 0.64 2 3 6. Joe Veleno (C) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 7 3 0 3 0.43 2 -4 7. Kyle Criscuolo (C) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 7 2 1 3 0.43 0 0 8. Kirill Tyutyayev (LW/C) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 9 0 3 3 0.33 4 1 9. Jared McIsaac (D) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 11 0 3 3 0.27 4 -6 10. Dan Renouf (D) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 8 0 1 1 0.13 8 0 11. Donovan Sebrango (D) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 11 0 1 1 0.09 0 4 12. Luke Witkowski (D/RW) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 9 0 0 0 0.00 30 -3 13. Brian Lashoff (D) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 11 0 0 0 0.00 4 2 14. Wyatt Newpower (D) Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 11 0 0 0 0.00 28 -5 15. Seth Barton (D)   Grand Rapids Griffins AHL - - - - - -   16. Kienan Draper (RW) Chilliwack Chiefs BCHL 12 1 6 7 0.58 8   17. Gustav Berglund (D) Mora IK HockeyAllsvenskan 10 2 1 3 0.30 2 -5 18. Albin Grewe (RW/LW) Mora IK HockeyAllsvenskan 7 0 3 3 0.43 6 -4 19. Liam Dower Nilsson (C) Frölunda HC J20 J20 Nationell 14 7 10 17 1.21 42 2 20. William Wallinder (D) Rögle BK J20 J20 Nationell 7 1 3 4 0.57 2 8 21. Alexander Kadeykin (C) Salavat Yulaev Ufa KHL 25 6 12 18 0.72 10 9 22. Kasper Kotkansalo (D) HIFK Liiga 22 4 7 11 0.50 2 12 23. Otto Kivenmäki (RW/C) Pelicans Liiga 20 2 5 7 0.35 2 -3 24. Eemil Viro (D) TPS Liiga 18 1 2 3 0.17 4 -2 25. Albin Grewe (RW/LW) Ilves Liiga 4 0 0 0 0.00 2 0 26. Robert Mastrosimone (C/LW) Boston Univ. NCAA 12 5 5 10 0.83 8 3 27. Carter Mazur (LW) Univ. of Denver NCAA 10 4 3 7 0.70 6 4 28. Ethan Phillips (C/RW) Boston Univ. NCAA 11 1 5 6 0.55 4 -1 29. John Adams (RW/C) Univ. of Notre Dame NCAA 11 1 4 5 0.45 2 4 30. Redmond Savage (C) Miami Univ. (Ohio) NCAA 10 0 5 5 0.50 10 -3 31. Shai Buium (D) Univ. of Denver NCAA 10 0 4 4 0.40 6 4 32. Sam Stange (RW) Univ. of Wisconsin NCAA 12 1 2 3 0.25 2 -1 33. Antti Tuomisto (D) Univ. of Denver NCAA 9 0 3 3 0.33 6 10 34. Ryan O'Reilly (RW/C) Arizona State Univ. NCAA 8 1 1 2 0.25 0 -2 35. Chase Bradley (LW/C) Univ. of Connecticut NCAA 11 1 1 2 0.18 6 0 36. Cooper Moore (D) Univ. of North Dakota NCAA 11 0 2 2 0.18 12 -2 37. Kyle Aucoin (D) Harvard Univ. NCAA 7 0 0 0 0.00 6 1 38. Pasquale Zito (W/C) Windsor Spitfires OHL 12 6 5 11 0.92 10 1 39. Donovan Sebrango (D) Kitchener Rangers OHL - - - - - -   40. Oscar Plandowski (D) Charlottetown Islanders QMJHL 18 2 2 4 0.22 12 4 41. Elmer Söderblom (LW/RW) Frölunda HC SHL 19 8 3 11 0.58 4 1 42. Simon Edvinsson (D) Frölunda HC SHL 16 1 8 9 0.56 6 7 43. Albert Johansson (D) Färjestad BK SHL 17 1 8 9 0.53 8 -6 44. William Wallinder (D) Rögle BK SHL 16 3 5 8 0.50 0 5 45. Theodor Niederbach (C/RW) Frölunda HC SHL 19 2 2 4 0.21 6 2 46. Liam Dower Nilsson (C) Frölunda HC SHL 7 0 0 0 0.00 2 0 47. Cross Hanas (W/C) Portland Winterhawks WHL 15 5 12 17 1.13 18 -3 48. Alex Cotton (D) Lethbridge Hurricanes WHL 8 4 2 6 0.75 6 -9 49. Alex Cotton (D) Vancouver Giants WHL 4 2 1 3 0.75 2 -1 2021-2022 Goaltending stats   N Player Team League GP GAA SV% 1. Sebastian Cossa Edmonton Oil Kings WHL 15 2.10 .928 2. Joren van Pottelberghe EHC Biel-Bienne NL 20 2.10 .927 3. Jan Bednar Acadie-Bathurst Titan QMJHL 13 3.21 .905   LESS THAN 10 GAMES 1. Calvin Pickard Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 8 1.82 .941 2. Kaden Fulcher Toledo Walleye ECHL 6 1.77 .924 3. Filip Larsson HV71 HockeyAllsvenskan 5 2.00 .918 4. Carter Gylander Colgate Univ. NCAA 9 2.90 .909 5. Jesper Eliasson Almtuna IS HockeyAllsvenskan 8 4.37 .840 6. Victor Brattström Grand Rapids Griffins AHL 4 5.32 .835 7. Jesper Eliasson Färjestad BK SHL 0 - -
							An overview of our prospects.

[mackel 763]

7 hours ago, Yzerplan said:

Stupid or not, I always like to think about the 97 team JimmyD and Bowman built in relation to what Yzerman's building now (if I knew Tampa better, maybe I'd think about that team instead).

The thing about that 97 team.  It was virtually 60+ minutes of the exact same quality play every night.  Three very balanced lines, Yzerman, Fedorov and Larionov centering combinations of Shannahan, Lapointe, Kozlov, Doug Brown, Sandstrom and McCarty.  Two elite defensemen on the ice together for like 50 minutes a game (Lindstrom, Murphy, Vlad, Fetisov).  Outstanding specialists/role guys (Draper, Maltby, Kocur, Ward, Rouse).  It was just 60 minutes of very high quality play every night.  Very few mistakes.  And talent that could make you pay at any time.  They just wore teams down.

#1.  I do think you need 3 really good centers (/good, balanced lines) in today's game.  We've got one.  Need two more.  Maybe top of the 22 draft we get one.  Maybe the third is already under club control (a less talked about prospect / someone who will move to center).  Maybe its a 23 1st rd'er.  Maybe it's a FA/trade.  We'll see.

#2.  I too think that you need 4 elite DMen.  In Seider and Edvinsson we might have two.  I don't doubt that a 3rd emerges out of Johansson/Wallinder/Buium/Viro/Tuo/Sebrango.  Might still need to acquire a 4th though.  Preferably a righty.  

#3.  Wingers.  Raymond.  Vrana.  Bertuzzi.  One elite-looking guy and two really solid wings already.  Soderblom, Tyutyayev look like future good NHL players to me.  Adding a bigtime powerforward to the mix might be wise.

#4.  Specialists/role-players..  Drapers, Maltbys, Kocurs.  Steve will find those guys.  Everyone on that 97 team was dressed for a reason.  We'll have that eventually here too.  Think there's certainly an Aaron Ward-esque guy who emerges out of the current prospect pool.  Maybe Nick Leddy is a guy who turns into a veteran Bob Rouse-type.  That Zito kid is interesting to me.  Mastrosimone still.  The Mazur kid and Savage I'm hoping make team USA and get big minutes.  Veleno, Niederbach, Hanas, LDNilsson, Grewe.  Don't really see a good modern playable fighter in the pipeline at the moment though.

#5.  Goalies.  Never know with goalies.  But we got about the best lotto ticket you can buy in Cossa.  And idk.  Does anyone think Ned isn't already close to what Osgood was talent-wise?

#6.  Coach.  He's not here yet.

(I don't anticipate Ras, Zadina, Hronek being here much longer.  Would love to be wrong)

I'm one of his bigger fans and I completely agree.  I think he's going to be an outstanding defensive player.  A physical presence.  A capabale NHL puck handler and passer.  And a guy who occasionally rips off some nice shots or gets loose near the net.  Maybe not a PP guy on a great team.  But I certainly think he's got top-4 potential

I think when Vrana gets back into the line up in Jan/Feb and looks up to speed...  Zadina (and is dwindling "potential") and picks/prospects will be packaged for a 1a/1b Center.

[Rick D 390]

 

9 hours ago, Yzerplan said:

14 hours ago, mackel said:

I think when Vrana gets back into the line up in Jan/Feb and looks up to speed...  Zadina (and is dwindling "potential") and picks/prospects will be packaged for a 1a/1b Center.

Idk if even Yzerman is That good.  Zadina looks like garbage.

Key word in there is packaged. Zadina plus more, maybe a lot more would get us there.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

I dont think you guys realize that trading for a 1C would only make more holes in the roster than it would fix.

[mackel 763]

5 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I dont think you guys realize that trading for a 1C would only make more holes in the roster than it would fix.

I'm not talking about an elite 1C, but a platoon 1C to complement Larkin.  I'm pleasantly surprised with his resurgence... if we had another one of him or even a Larkin-light we'd be in good shape at C.  Then the rest of our centers could fight for 3rd and 4th line duty or spots on the wing.

[kipwinger 8,751]

51 minutes ago, Yzerplan said:

It'll be a draft steal.

An unappreciated-Vrana-like trade.

Or maybe an unappreciated-Suter like signing (but someone good)

 

Best case scenario we nab an Anton Lundell or Alex Newhook type center in the middle of the 1st this year, but that's leaving a lot to chance. Plus it'll take a few years to develop a guy like that.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

16 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

 

Best case scenario we nab an Anton Lundell or Alex Newhook type center in the middle of the 1st this year, but that's leaving a lot to chance. Plus it'll take a few years to develop a guy like that.

*watches replays of last night's defensive zone coverage* 

We've got time

2 hours ago, mackel said:

I'm not talking about an elite 1C, but a platoon 1C to complement Larkin.  I'm pleasantly surprised with his resurgence... if we had another one of him or even a Larkin-light we'd be in good shape at C.  Then the rest of our centers could fight for 3rd and 4th line duty or spots on the wing.

Resurgence = finally has a star winger

Almost like some fans could see this coming.........

[kipwinger 8,751]

Just now, The 91 of Ryans said:

*watches replays of last night's defensive zone coverage* 

We've got time

Resurgence = finally has a star winger

Almost like some fans could see this coming.........

Woof, last night was a stinker. I'll be looking to see if they tighten up in tonight's game.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

Last night was Leddy getting abused.  He has very limited defensive ability.  Im anxious to see the upgrade to Edvinsson.  Sooner the better as far as Im concerned.

[kipwinger 8,751]

I'm fine with Leddy. He's an offensive d-man and he's over 30. He's going to have some gaffs. But he's a top four defender by just about any measure and I'm thrilled that we've at least got 3 of those on our team now.

[ely s 458]

We have to keep Leddy, next years free agent market is thin(Zadorov seems like one of a few) and we have to get rid of Staal and DDK. So Leddy, Edvinsson, Oesterle + FA for the left side with McIsaac and Johansson hopefully pushing from GR. I´m totally fine with our three RHD, the combo of Seider, Hronek und Lindström is good already although they only have a combined 239 games of NHL experience and they will only get better.

[kipwinger 8,751]

2 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

*watches replays of last night's defensive zone coverage* 

We've got time

Resurgence = finally has a star winger

Almost like some fans could see this coming.........

Well then can I interest you in Marco Kasper? An Austrian center currently playing for Rogle of the SHL? Very speedy, solid offensive numbers at all levels, decent size, but may need a little time to round out his 200 ft. game.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

 

1 minute ago, kipwinger said:

Well then can I interest you in Marco Kasper? An Austrian center currently playing for Rogle of the SHL? Very speedy, solid offensive numbers at all levels, decent size, but may need a little time to round out his 200 ft. game.

Sure. 

Basically I think this D core (including blue-chip reinforcements) is a few years away from being 'opposition-just shart-their-pants' dominant.  

So Steve has approx 3 years to level up both the 2C position and at least one of the top 6 wingers. 

[kipwinger 8,751]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

 

Sure. 

Basically I think this D core (including blue-chip reinforcements) is a few years away from being 'opposition-just shart-their-pants' dominant.  

So Steve has approx 3 years to level up both the 2C position and at least one of the top 6 wingers. 

Agreed. Yzerman has basically said as much, something along the lines of "if you make this a good defensive team you can add to the offense later". Sounds good, but I've seen a lot of teams over the years who were good enough on one side of the puck or the other but not good enough to win.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

9 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Agreed. Yzerman has basically said as much, something along the lines of "if you make this a good defensive team you can add to the offense later". Sounds good, but I've seen a lot of teams over the years who were good enough on one side of the puck or the other but not good enough to win.

We need a #1C to add to Larkin.  Its as simple as that.  This team should be in full tank mode going forward to get Wright.