kipwinger 8,732 Report post Posted August 23, 2022 The difference is even more pronounced when you factor in the powerplay. Ras had two powerplay points (out of 27 total points), both assists. Zadina had 8 powerplay points (out of 24 total points), 4 goals and 4 assists. So Ras, despite being pinned into the d-zone roughly 100 more shifts per season, still outscored Zadina at even strength by a sizeable margin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, redw1ngs said: Why do you think Zadina has got better linemates every year? Maybe management have a higher view of him then bobby and joey on letsgowings.com? Rasmusen has got looks with better linemates and hasnt looked better then Zadina imo. Because Zadina is top6 scoring role or bust. Again, he doesnt bring anything else to the table. If he cant score hes essentially useless to us. I dont disagree with, and would have played Zadina exactly how Blash played him the last few years. Majority Ozone starts. Offensive linemates. And PP time. Youve got to get this kid to find his scoring touch or hes a bust. Unfortunately he continues not to score despite these generous oppurtunities. And shows little to no growth in a scoring role. Ras on the other hand brings value to the bottom 6 even if he never finds a scoring touch. Im fine playing him further down the lineup in that role. And hes been MUCH better than Zadina has at maximizing his scoring oppurtunities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted August 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, mackel said: He has better linemates because he's a one trick pony... unless he's scoring (which he isn't) he's useless... think Pulkinen, Brunner, etc. It's our bad luck our GM just looked at the TSN draft list and didn't understand why Busty was available at 6. It was a awful pick I dont think youll find anyone disagree with that. That doesnt mean he cant be a reliable 3w in the NHL. If you drop your wallet and $20 falls out and blows away are you going to take all the money out of the wallet and throw it away? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,732 Report post Posted August 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, redw1ngs said: The man that healthy scratched Zadina is no longer employed by the DRW nothing to do with current management. SY probly called Zadina out by name to light a fire under him because he knows hes capable of more then hes shown. his d+2 was impressive. So Zadina gets more ice time with better linemates because were deeper at w then c? What kinda backwards logic is that? Since were so thin at c shouldnt Ras get more ice time with better linemates instead of being stapled to the 4th line? Its not really fair to compare Rasmusens d+5 season to Zadinas d+4 season. Ras just had his breakout season lets see if Zadina can have a breakout or at least build on last season. The point was that we don't have many centers, and because of that Ras was forced to play a role (shutdown center) that he was not drafted for, which demands tougher zone starts, and generally pairs him with less offensively capable wingers. Conversely, because we are deeper on the wing Zadina largely played the EXACT role he was drafted for (scoring line winger) and sucked pretty badly. Fun Fact: Despite being drafted a year earlier, Ras is only 6 months older than Zadina and has only played 20 more NHL games. There is not some massive difference in their development. I might even argue that Ras's development was more impacted because he was NOT capable of going to the AHL in his D+1 year (unlike Zadina) because of the CHL/NHL agreement, and he dealt with significant injuries early in his pro-career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redw1ngs 149 Report post Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: The point was that we don't have many centers, and because of that Ras was forced to play a role (shutdown center) that he was not drafted for, which demands tougher zone starts, and generally pairs him with less offensively capable wingers. Conversely, because we are deeper on the wing Zadina largely played the EXACT role he was drafted for (scoring line winger) and sucked pretty badly. Fun Fact: Despite being drafted a year earlier, Ras is only 6 months older than Zadina and has only played 20 more NHL games. There is not some massive difference in their development. I might even argue that Ras's development was more impacted because he was NOT capable of going to the AHL in his D+1 year (unlike Zadina) because of the CHL/NHL agreement, and he dealt with significant injuries early in his pro-career. Your point is still lost. Less c should mean more opportunity to climb higher in the lineup. More w should mean harder time to get top6 mins. What role do you think Rasmusen was drafted for? should he be playing now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,732 Report post Posted August 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, redw1ngs said: Your point is still lost. Less c should mean more opportunity to climb higher in the lineup. More w should mean harder time to get top6 mins. What role do you think Rasmusen was drafted for? should he be playing now? I don't agree. Coaches use players situationally. Larkin can't play 30 minutes a night and neither Veleno nor Suter can defend well. So by default Rasmussen had to be used in those situations. If Luke Glendening was still on the team I'd agree Ras would have the opportunity to be used in more offensive situations. He probably will THIS year to be honest. But last year he was pretty much stuck doing the heavy defensive work because there wasn't anyone else. I presume Ras was drafted to be a top six power forward. Most teams don't use top ten picks on bottom six shutdown guys, but maybe I'm wrong. Holland was a dipsh*t after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: This is the most pointless debate on LGW in history. Which of our busts is the worst bust? ha ha ha ha yes. but it's the off season. I just don't see any reasons to keep one over the other or ditch one over the other. Hopefully Berggren and Soderblom replaces them both. Edited August 23, 2022 by Neomaxizoomdweebie 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TLGTrico 651 Report post Posted August 23, 2022 Can we maybe give this Zadina discussion its own thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 755 Report post Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, TLGTrico said: Can we maybe give this Zadina discussion its own thread? He's not worthy of a thread. 1 AtlantaHotWings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted August 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: yes. but it's the off season. I just don't see any reasons to keep one over the other or ditch one over the other. Hopefully Berggren and Soderblom replaces them both. Well said. A player will naturally slide out of the lineup when the team has better options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted September 9, 2022 DeKeyser to Nucks on a PTO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted September 9, 2022 8 hours ago, marcaractac said: DeKeyser to Nucks on a PTO. Wait till they found out he medically can't eat food and weighs 10 pounds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted September 9, 2022 8 hours ago, marcaractac said: DeKeyser to Nucks on a PTO. I was very surprised to see Aston-Reese also on a PTO to Toronto. Shocked no one signed him. He's a grade A 4th line grinder in his prime IMO. Would love to have him on this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted September 10, 2022 15 hours ago, bIueadams said: Wait till they found out he medically can't eat food and weighs 10 pounds 23 years old 6'3", 195 lbs. 33 years old 6'3", 194 lbs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted April 10, 2023 Shane Wrong slips all the way to 4th overall and cries Seattle rejoices that he fell to them Kraken refuse to send him down to the OHL because they dont want him to get ass blasted everynight on a shiddy Kingston team Finally he is traded to Windsor and they send him down hoping he can go on a deep playoff run with them Windsor gets swept by the 8th seed in the first round lol new record Who is the new Zadina? And why is it Shane Wrong? 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted April 11, 2023 12 hours ago, Walman6million said: Shane Wrong slips all the way to 4th overall and cries Seattle rejoices that he fell to them Kraken refuse to send him down to the OHL because they dont want him to get ass blasted everynight on a shiddy Kingston team Finally he is traded to Windsor and they send him down hoping he can go on a deep playoff run with them Windsor gets swept by the 8th seed in the first round lol new record Who is the new Zadina? And why is it Shane Wrong? Guy is like zadina. he just cant get it done. dunno why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted April 11, 2023 17 hours ago, Walman6million said: Shane Wrong slips all the way to 4th overall and cries Seattle rejoices that he fell to them Kraken refuse to send him down to the OHL because they dont want him to get ass blasted everynight on a shiddy Kingston team Finally he is traded to Windsor and they send him down hoping he can go on a deep playoff run with them Windsor gets swept by the 8th seed in the first round lol new record Who is the new Zadina? And why is it Shane Wrong? He gets so much praise for the Canada gold at the WJC, but that was all Bedard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 218 Report post Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) Shane Wright with Windsor was a minus most nights. He was outskated and out hustled every playoff game. I have lots of neighbours who really don't know hockey, other than their beloved Spitfires of Windsor, so they were pretty pumped when I explained just who they were getting in the Shane Wright trade. The kid has instincts, but he's fairly dumb I believe. Now the hood thinks I don't have a clue about hockey. Edited April 11, 2023 by town123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, town123 said: Shane Wright with Windsor was a minus most nights. He was outskated and out hustled every playoff game. I have lots of neighbours who really don't know hockey, other than their beloved Spitfires of Windsor, so they were pretty pumped when I explained just who they were getting in the Shane Wright trade. The kid has instincts, but he's fairly dumb I believe. Now the hood thinks I don't have a clue about hockey. Stay away from those people. This is a Firebirds (formerly whalers) family. 1 town123 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
town123 218 Report post Posted April 11, 2023 My fences are high and sturdy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
