2021 Off-Season (Too Soon?)

[krsmith17 7,191]

34 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Blashill is an AHL coach from a prospect league. He is useful now because the team is rebuilding, and bringing in prospects. I don't see him competing with the "big boys" when this team becomes playoff bound. Just my opinion.

My opinion is that he's very well respected around the league, and if for whatever reason, Yzerman does let him walk in a couple years, he would be hired by another team within weeks.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

3 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

 I'm sure you finished "developing" at the age of 14...

I actually think this might be true in CRL's case.

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

My opinion is that he's very well respected around the league, and if for whatever reason, Yzerman does let him walk in a couple years, he would be hired by another team within weeks.

Don't disagree. Just don't think he gets picked up by a team in the top half of the league. Probably by a downward trending team looking to rebuild.

[mackel 755]

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

My opinion is that he's very well respected around the league, and if for whatever reason, Yzerman does let him walk in a couple years, he would be hired by another team within weeks.

Luckily everyone, including you, has a right to be wrong.

[AtlantaHotWings 1,110]

18 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Blashill is an AHL coach from a prospect league. He is useful now because the team is rebuilding, and bringing in prospects. I don't see him competing with the "big boys" when this team becomes playoff bound. Just my opinion.

I see Blash as that guy in business with a great idea. Builds his company to the point where it's time to go IPO. But after the IPO the board puts someone else to chart the company going forward. Similar I think he might have a way to develop the kids. But when we start moving up the standings I wouldn't be shocked if he is replaced at that point. 

[LeftWinger 5,090]

Acquiring: Alnefelt, Palat and Marcus Pettersson.

Signing: Koekkoek, Ullmark. 

Re-signing: Ryan, Glenny, Staal

All RFA's except Brome, Djoos and Svechnikov.

[LeftWinger 5,090]

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[Noodles22 9]

I know that this could also be posted in the trade rumors section but it also involves the off season so I'll put it here.  There is something that I just don't get and maybe others can help me:

I just saw that the Leafs might be interested in Bertuzzi.  Bertuzzi is my favorite Wing and we are lucky to have such a unique player in my opinion.  What I don't get is why everywhere I look his name appears to be thrown out there for trade ideas.  Why would you give up a fan-favorite who never takes a shift off?  People want to know why Larkin's numbers were down so much this year?  It does not take a rocket scientist to see that it was because Bertuzzi was out.  Bert does the heavy lifting on that line. Most teams would love to have a guy like Bertuzzi, including Detroit if they lost him.  I would not trade Bert just to make a trade or because he is 26 (still a kid to me) and he "doesn't fit the timeline".  That is ridiculous.  We complain that we can't get high end talent and then when we do, all that we hear are trade rumors.  I have even seen many Wings fans throwing Vrana's name out there for trades as well.  Unless it is part of a package to get a superstar #1 center, guys like Bertuzzi and Vrana should be cornerstones here.

[Noodles22 9]

17 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Yeah no, just post everything on the general board, even trade rumors, literally no one goes on the other boards anymore.

It would be painful as hell to see Bert go. The only likeable thing about this team is Tyler Bertuzzi. I guess if its a package for a superstar then you have to consider it, but I'd rather move just about anyone else.

Good to know I am not the only one who feels this way.

 

[Akakabuto 1,838]

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Larkin: fast, good at defense, captain
Vrana: fast, good at shooting
Ras: big
Fabbri: bretty decent at everything, good cook
Zadina: potential
Bertuzzi: GRIT, MACHISMO, FASHION, SKILL, SWAGGER, LETTUCE, ALPHA, PEDIGREE, FEARLESS, LADIES, ATTITUDE, STYLE, RECKLESS, GIRTH, VIOLENCE, GUMPTION, SHOPWRECKER, COOL

You don't just trade intangibles like that

You forgot ’JUST THE TIP’

[LeftWinger 5,090]

...depends on what's coming back? This IS Steve Yzerman we're talking about. 

Toronto are looking for players that will get them past the 1st round and beyond. They NEED intangibles. What would you do if they offered:

1st, Liljegren, sign and trade Andersson? Maybe more? They need to shed salary because Bertuzzi isn't the only one they're targeting. They'll a UFA or two anyway.

[mackel 755]

14 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Rasmus Sandin + Rodion Amirov + 2021 2nd rd pick + the negotiating rights to Zach Hyman

or

Mitch Marner 1for1

A friend of mine that's a Toronto fan, was theorizing:

Bert and the 22nd pick for

Morgan Reilly 

Not a trade I'd make personally.

____________

I hope we target the 9th overall pick from Vancouver... I think it could be had for 22 and cap relief.   That way we can get our skater and goalie at 6 and 9.

Thoughts?

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Just now, mackel said:

A friend of mine that's a Toronto fan, was theorizing:

Bert and the 22nd pick for

Morgan Reilly 

Not a trade I'd make personally.

*** that trade. 

Not sure I'd do Bert for Reilly 1:1

Also, of course Leaf fans wan Bert. He has a spine. An elusive quality in Leaf's land. 

If Yzerman trades Bertuzzi it will be for someone younger or, like mentioned, part of a bigger trade. 

[Wings3:16 322]

Ahhhhh f*ck Morgan Rielly and f*ck the Leafs!

 

Yeah I've been day drinking, what of it?

[LeftWinger 5,090]

1 hour ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Rasmus Sandin + Rodion Amirov + 2021 2nd rd pick + the negotiating rights to Zach Hyman

Sign and trade Hyman to us. I'd like to guarantee he stays here.

[F.Michael 4,590]

Leafs need players to fill out the roster, but not much $$$ to go around.

[LeftWinger 5,090]

 

Well we know Yzerman can outdo Holland. Just depends if he sees Hyman helping this team move forward. 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

 

Well we know Yzerman can outdo Holland. Just depends if he sees Hyman helping this team move forward. 

I don't see the need for Hyman. Decent RH winger, but he's 29 and doesn't play center.

Would rather re-sign Ryan and try to flip him at the TDL. That leaves room for Bert, Vrana, Zadina, and Raymond on the top 2 lines next year.

 

Edited July 10, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[LeftWinger 5,090]

5 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I don't see the need for Hyman. Decent RH winger, but he's 29 and doesn't play center.

Would rather re-sign Ryan and try to flip him at the TDL. That leaves room for Bert, Vrana, Zadina, and Raymond on the top 2 lines next year.

 

I happen to believe Bertuzzi will be dealt. 

[LeftWinger 5,090]

Friedman is now reporting Yzerman indeed taking calls on Bertuzzi. Believes Toronto and Vancouver are front runners 

[ely s 458]

2 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Boy I hope it's Vancouver and not Toronto. Will be hard to watch a fan favorite go to the Leafs.

Eriksson + Juolevi + 9th overall this year for Bertuzzi

that is not enough, not even close. The offer has to be impossible to refuse, Bert is one of a rare kind and whoever waqnts him has to bleed badly

[Noodles22 9]

4 minutes ago, ely s said:

that is not enough, not even close. The offer has to be impossible to refuse, Bert is one of a rare kind and whoever waqnts him has to bleed badly

I agree.  I just checked out a Vancouver forum and some fans are very excited about the idea of getting Bertuzzi and some have even said "just give a 3rd rounder because he has injury issues".  Other fanbases have no clue about how valuable Bert is.  If Vancouver wants Bert, for me the conversation starts and ends with Brock Boeser, that is how much I value Bertuzzi.  I would not even trade for the #9 pick straight up for Bert because I would have my doubts that whoever we would get at 9 in a weaker draft would add as much value as Bert.  One thing none of us know though is what is happening behind the scenes.  The last time they had to negotiate with Bertuzzi it was not easy and I could be wrong but I think they had to go to arbitration.  There might be a situation going on where Stevie knows that Bert won't be an easy signing or that Bert values himself injury history and all, to be much higher than the Wings think he should be paid.  I really don't want to see him traded.  I would love to see how a Larkin-Vrana-Bert line plays out.

[LeftWinger 5,090]

apart from Bertuzzi having some value and having a couple teams calling about him, and also being about 2 years too old (27 in Feb) for the rebuild, I think Yzerman has him ready to be dealt because he will probably go to arbitration again, get a 1 year contract and become a UFA after the season. Yzerman wants to deal him for returns in case he walks UFA next summer. I am sure Bertuzzi would like to stay but also he is probably very intrigued about teams being interested in him. Trade him.

to TOR : Tyler Bertruzzi, 2021 5th, much needed cap relief if they want to better their team.

to DET : Mitch Marner, Timoty Liljegrin, 2022 1st.

 - or -

to VAN : Tyler Bertuzzi, Dennis Cholowski (or Lindstrom)

to DET : Brock Boeser, Vasili Podkolzen, 2022 1st

... I am still sticking with these:

to TPA : 2021 3rd round draft pick

to DET : Andrej Palat, Alex Killorn, Hugo Alnefelt (  I guess if they wanted to replace one of those with Johnson that'd be fine.  Besides Alnefelt They're all TDL bait.)

I'd have to change up the Pit trade though since I don't want to lose both 3rd rounders:

to PIT : 2021 4th round draft pick, rights to Evgeny Svechnikov (or maybe a D prospect)

to DET : Markus Pettersson

all this is POST expansion draft.

Edited July 10, 2021 by LeftWinger

[marcaractac 3,963]

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

apart from Bertuzzi having some value and having a couple teams calling about him, and also being about 2 years too old (27 in Feb) for the rebuild, I think Yzerman has him ready to be dealt because he will probably go to arbitration again, get a 1 year contract and become a UFA after the season. Yzerman wants to deal him for returns in case he walks UFA next summer. I am sure Bertuzzi would like to stay but also he is probably very intrigued about teams being interested in him. Trade him.

to TOR : Tyler Bertruzzi, 2021 5th, much needed cap relief if they want to better their team.

to DET : Mitch Marner, Timoty Liljegrin, 2022 1st.

 - or -

to VAN : Tyler Bertuzzi, Dennis Cholowski (or Lindstrom)

to DET : Brock Boeser, Vasili Podkolzen, 2022 1st

... I am still sticking with these:

to TPA : 2021 3rd round draft pick

to DET : Andrej Palat, Alex Killorn, Hugo Alnefelt (  I guess if they wanted to replace one of those with Johnson that'd be fine.  Besides Alnefelt They're all TDL bait.)

I'd have to change up the Pit trade though since I don't want to lose both 3rd rounders:

to PIT : 2021 4th round draft pick, rights to Evgeny Svechnikov (or maybe a D prospect)

to DET : Markus Pettersson

all this is POST expansion draft.

Vancouver nor Toronto would EVER pay that much for Bert. You wouldn't get Marner alone, let alone Liljegren and a first along with it. Same with Boeser and Vancouver. 

You might get that Russian kid and a first from the Canucks if you take Eriksson back with them. 

[diehardredwingsfan58 157]

17 hours ago, Noodles22 said:

I agree.  I just checked out a Vancouver forum and some fans are very excited about the idea of getting Bertuzzi and some have even said "just give a 3rd rounder because he has injury issues".  Other fanbases have no clue about how valuable Bert is.  If Vancouver wants Bert, for me the conversation starts and ends with Brock Boeser, that is how much I value Bertuzzi.  I would not even trade for the #9 pick straight up for Bert because I would have my doubts that whoever we would get at 9 in a weaker draft would add as much value as Bert.  One thing none of us know though is what is happening behind the scenes.  The last time they had to negotiate with Bertuzzi it was not easy and I could be wrong but I think they had to go to arbitration.  There might be a situation going on where Stevie knows that Bert won't be an easy signing or that Bert values himself injury history and all, to be much higher than the Wings think he should be paid.  I really don't want to see him traded.  I would love to see how a Larkin-Vrana-Bert line plays out.

Yeah well Canuck fans are delusional if they think we'd take a 3rd rounder because of Tyler Bertuzzi's injury history. This is the only season he's missed tons of time due to an injury. if this were the case then jack Eichel has no value. fans are. Honestly Vancouver doesn't have a single piece outside like you said Brock Boeser that would even entice me to move Bertuzzi to Vancouver. Podkolzin at least would need to come back as well. Vancouver's prospect pool is shallow as it is. No thanks from Vancouver they can keep their scraps. 

[diehardredwingsfan58 157]

On 7/10/2021 at 1:33 AM, LeftWinger said:

I happen to believe Bertuzzi will be dealt. 

The only way Bertuzzi is dealt, is if he tells Yzerman he plans on going to free agency and wont sign long term.

18 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Friedman is now reporting Yzerman indeed taking calls on Bertuzzi. Believes Toronto and Vancouver are front runners 

From Toronto it starts with Robertson, Vancouver Boeser and Podkolzin.