2021 Draft

[marcaractac 3,963]

7 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

An ME degree would indeed be tough to revisit. I don't remember a thing about deformable solids.

Civil is cake. If he wants to stay fresh volunteer for habitat for humanity or something. All it is building houses anyway. Most GED qualified contractors can do this too.

Ahh yes, civil is just building houses. Thank you for teaching me. 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

This explains so so much

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13 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Yeah I'm sure Keith from Quinnipiac on a sports scholarship is gonna build an international airport and redesign a major metropolitan sewer system. He'll be measuring load-bearing walls in a 300K subdivision home like 90% of his colleagues.

ME has nearly double the job sector growth for good reason.

 

Ahh yes, surely these things are all designed by just one single person. Jesus christ you're uninformed. 

13 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

This explains so so much

He's not an ME. He is just pretending to be. Personality-wise, the shoe certainly does fit though.

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59 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Hey only one peep hole on the ol theodolite

For the record, I do not disagree that ME is the more lucrative field of the two. It's just incorrect to say Civil is a dying field. 

As far as the housing industry goes, all that is required from an engineer is the ol stamp of approval on the design. And considering how common cookie cutter housing in these days, that industry definitely does not employ 90% of civies. 

Look at you. You got me sticking up for ******* Civil engineers. Gross.

But we all know ECE is where the $$$ is at. And no, I am not talking about early childhood education. 

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2 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Civil engineers are idealists. "I'm gonna build the next golden gate bridge or grand sports stadium" No you're not, you're gonna design roadway embankments you pleb.

I thought computer science was supposed to be the next big thing. Did engineers ruin that too?

Computer engineers are basically computer scientists but having learned the electrical side of the field as well, right down to the physics of silicon. And we get to become engineers, which often leads to more money. 

As far as the bridge thing goes, in any engineering field, if you wanna get into the good s***, you need to go all in with the masters and a PhD. A Bachelor degree will get you a nice career in the field. Specializing by going all in with a PhD is where you get to work towards doing s*** that has never been done before. 

As far as this bridge/sports stadium goes, that's all team jobs. There is no one person who makes any of that s*** happen. It's like making a video game. No one person makes a game. Hundreds do. 

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5 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Yeah but someone gets to be head or lead.

Yes, there is always someone who manages the entire project, as each project is broken up into so many smaller pieces you have to have someone to oversee everything and ensure people stick to their timelines and s***. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Maybe one day Keith will achieve him dream of becoming lead highway median designer

I'll just keep making electrons do math

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7 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

You really think we’d be able to go on a cup winning run with a greiss/bernier tandem?

I mean, I'm not gonna shout from the top of the Empire State Building that Jonathan Bernier and Thomas Greiss are the greatest goalies in NHL history. But Greiss played a few games in the playoffs last season and his save percentage was .929%. And this season, behind a really bad team, and after a really rocky start (probably a big-time adjustment period), he finished at .912%.

Bernier's been a revelation as a Wing. He was our MVP this season. In a just world, he's playing for a playoff team next season.

If there's a rock-solid argument for why Bernier and Greiss definitely aren't Cup contender material, I confess I don't know what that argument is. And I'm not trying to be obstinate. I've given a fair amount of thought to this and I really don't think there's much of a case against rolling with a mercenary UFA signing.

7 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

We need lottery luck next two drafts and imo if we add a real stud #1 goalie this draft and hit lottery luck for f***en once and nail a real franchise star next two drafts and add that to seider raymond and hope some others pan out (especially the d picks) we’ll be making some noise real soon

That kind of blue-sky hope is not a strategy. But I do understand your logic and I do think it has some merit.

I'm not gonna be upset if we end up taking Wallstedt with our first pick. Because we will have filled a big hole on the organizational depth chart. Hell, like I've said, I'd be ok with trading down and taking Chaz Lucius. Lucius is very much a high-risk, high-reward prospect. So, no, I can't say I'm fundamentally opposed to risking big in an attempt to win big.

In all honesty, there's a part of me that's done with this "You did the crime (of being a good team for a long time), now do the time (in rebuild hell)" bulls***. That part of me is always trying to think up ways that Galaxy Brain Yzerman might be able to flip the script and MacGyver us a deus ex machina workaround.

Getting the next Carey Price would be one such way, as a Price-level goalie means you can lower the bar at every key skater position. All of a sudden, there's less need for a conventional core (i.e. star power), because your goalie is just that good.

Sounds great, right? Well, sure. It's a nice thought.

But let's really think about this for a moment.

Consider:

> Your Price-level goalie has to be every bit as good as Carey Price. (Ideally, he's even better than Price.)

> How many Carey Prices are there? How likely is it that Wallstedt is that good?

> Even if Wallstedt *is* that good, how much success have the Habs enjoyed in the Carey Price Era?

> We can say the reason why Price hasn't won the Habs multiple Cups is a combination of poor management and poor coaching, but it's really easy to say your GM and coach are gonna be the ones who crack the code and succeed where other GM-coach tandems have failed.

> A Price-level goalie is going to demand a Price-level contract. And let's say we do get lucky in next year's lotto draw and that player becomes an absolute superstar. That's a monster contract. And let's not forget Seider, who we're thinking could be a future Norris-winner. That's a monster contract. Now, maybe our future Wings star players sign team-friendly contracts. That's a possibility. Worth noting, though: Michigan taxes aren't as kind to NHL stars as Florida taxes are.

That's a lot to consider. There's a lot that would have to go right. It seems appealing to us now because we're looking for a workaround, a way to accelerate the rebuild and beat the system. But we're probably better off embracing conventional wisdom and playing the odds and taking a skater with our first pick in this draft. We have needs at key skater positions and top 10 picks are how you fill those holes.

Edited June 21, 2021 by Dabura

[F.Michael 4,590]

My dream was to become a talented engineer -  a master of both structural engineering and fluid dynamics...To design the ultimate bidet.

3 hours ago, marcaractac said:

For the record, I do not disagree that ME is the more lucrative field of the two. It's just incorrect to say Civil is a dying field. 

As far as the housing industry goes, all that is required from an engineer is the ol stamp of approval on the design. And considering how common cookie cutter housing in these days, that industry definitely does not employ 90% of civies. 

Look at you. You got me sticking up for ******* Civil engineers. Gross.

But we all know ECE is where the $$$ is at. And no, I am not talking about early childhood education. 

 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

I wanna drive trains too.

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16 hours ago, F.Michael said:

I hope Yzerman drafts a goalie with the #6 pick just to spite you.

 

Bring back Gina Carano.

[marcaractac 3,963]

8 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Too butch for my taste

You just can't handle the idea of a woman who can kick your ass

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44 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

The solution here is obvious: Cast Don Cheadle as Cara Dune.

This is the way.

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22 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

I just dont think a real cup contending team rolls the dice on 2 back up goalies who are 33/35 yrs old . If we have a 2002 roster?sure , but thats not even close . Think if we’re going to want to compete with tampa and teams who will be rising up real soon (nyr,ott (yes ott),flo etc..) we’ll need a true #1 who can steal games .

Even if we dont finally win the lottery (god knows we deserve it) its up to yzerman to find a star player With our picks, and i trust him i just think with where we’re picking the goalie is the best option with what’ll be available .Might be a star player that comes out someday when we look back at pick #27 but i doubt he’ll get picked top 10

I do think adding a stud #1 goalie with seider and hopefully some guys like tuomisto,johansson and others pan out and become gems that already will greatly help with how fast we can be good again . Course we need a good forward group but if we have a #1 goalie and a really good d core thats already half the battle . And i expect yzerman to be cuthroat and move other players that will piss off fans (sorry i dont buy he made the mantha deal thinking vrana was a core piece moving forward and after 12 games hes convinced already of vrana’s greatness and wont deal him)

I wouldnt worry too much about the contracts its up to yzerman to try and work it out and make sure we get a good # . Maybe wallstedt would get a 7 yr deal after instead of his bridge contract for a good number . I trust yzerman , anyways i give ourselves 2 more years of pain imo . We might not make it in the playoffs in year 3 but we’ll be making some noise and getting noticed

Well, it doesn't have to be a Bernier-Greiss tandem. My point in referencing those two is that adequate goalie talent is always available for cheap. Would you love to have a borderline franchise guy between the pipes? Absolutely! But, in general, I think having high-end talent at the key skater positions is more important than having a high-end goalie, if for some reason you have to pick between the two. And, in general, I would say top 10 picks are how a rebuilding team gets most of its core skaters.

Basically: It's about playing the odds and trying to get maximum value for your super-valuable picks. While I don't feel Wallsted @ 6-12OA would necessarily be stupid or reckless, I do feel it probably wouldn't be playing the odds. And even if I didn't feel this way, I'm pretty sure most GMs do. And I'm including Yzerman in that group, because I feel the "He's a total maverick" narrative is overblown.

So, point being: I'm not expecting us to take Wallstedt with our first pick.

...But I'm not 100% discounting the possibility. Because if the best alternatives are, say, Eklund, Edvinsson, Johnson, Clarke...you could argue these guys are boom/bust, or high-floor, low-ceiling.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Dabura

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11 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Too butch for my taste

She is flawless.

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4 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Im greedy i want high end talent at every position including goaltending . Im leaving the contract stuff to yzerman and let him try and get some guys locked in longterm at a good number, if #’s ever become a problem with some players if anything they’ll make some nice trade bait . 

I’m always about going for the homerun pick and from what i seen around alot of people are saying this draft lacks high end talent at the top compared to previous drafts minus the goalie . But people are scared of taking a goalie in the first round cause “you cant do that” . I’m like f*** that s*** and id just do it . I do think yzerman wont give two s***s and take the goalie if thats who he wants , Now if thats the case and people are too stupid or too chicken s*** of drafting a goalie and we can fall back to 8 and get an early 2nd as well even bettter

Yup as much as good stuff i heard of those players you mentioned i also heard alot of stuff to be worried about . Since petruzzelli is walking ( yes hes leaving) and we have zero goaltending  wallstedt is my pick if everyone else has a different opinion thats cool i wont change mine . I think we can get a pretty good player at #22  and we have draft capital to go from 37 to say 29-31 if need be

I'd rather roll the dice that Cossa will be there at 23... but respect the POV!

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

On 6/15/2021 at 11:26 AM, The 91 of Ryans said:

Pronman says Cossa's better now..........

Pronman Final Athletic 2021 Draft Rankings

1. Power

2. Guenther

3.Eklund

4. Hughes

5. Beniers

6. Johnson

7. Lucius

8. Clarke

9. McTavish

10. Cossa

11. Wallnut

 

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Wheeler's final 2021 rankings

1. Power

2. Johnson

3. Clarke

4. Beniers

5. Eklund

6. Guenther

7. Hughes

8. Lucius

9. Sillinger

10. McTavish

11. Edvinsson

12. Wallnut

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19. Cossa

 

[F.Michael 4,590]

4 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

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Wheeler's final 2021 rankings

1. Power

2. Johnson

3. Clarke

4. Beniers

5. Eklund

6. Guenther

7. Hughes

8. Lucius

9. Sillinger

10. McTavish

11. Edvinsson

12. Wallnut

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19. Cossa

 

Seems as though final rankings are all over the place...Will be interesting as to who will be available at #6 on draft day.

Edited June 23, 2021 by F.Michael

[Dabura 12,228]

23 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Im greedy i want high end talent at every position including goaltending . Im leaving the contract stuff to yzerman and let him try and get some guys locked in longterm at a good number, if #’s ever become a problem with some players if anything they’ll make some nice trade bait . 

I’m always about going for the homerun pick and from what i seen around alot of people are saying this draft lacks high end talent at the top compared to previous drafts minus the goalie . But people are scared of taking a goalie in the first round cause “you cant do that” . I’m like f*** that s*** and id just do it . I do think yzerman wont give two s***s and take the goalie if thats who he wants , Now if thats the case and people are too stupid or too chicken s*** of drafting a goalie and we can fall back to 8 and get an early 2nd as well even bettter

Yup as much as good stuff i heard of those players you mentioned i also heard alot of stuff to be worried about . Since petruzzelli is walking ( yes hes leaving) and we have zero goaltending  wallstedt is my pick if everyone else has a different opinion thats cool i wont change mine . I think we can get a pretty good player at #22  and we have draft capital to go from 37 to say 29-31 if need be

I just hope we nail the pick. That's all I ask. I want a very good NHLer.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

2 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Yup i dont want another rasmussen repeat i want a star player picking that high regardless what position , if they end up a 2nd line player or a 3-4 dman id be dissapointed . But everyone here already knows my preference 

You don't deserve Rasmussen.

Prepare to celebrate whilst guilt gnaws at your hater soul when Big Ras drags this team to their next cup. 

The true believers will be over here celebrating with unrestrained joy, never having doubted the kid. 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

15 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Looking back Ras looks like an awful pick at #9.
But I'm completely willing to ignore that because I'm a size queen.

No question Wings fans would much rather have Suzuki or Necas right now. 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Barky's fav fake scout says their are  rumblings of Detroit taking McT, Johnson, or Wallsted

Mock Draft by The Guy who Got Seider Wrong and Thus Sucks

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6. Detroit Red Wings: Mason McTavish, C, Peterborough-OHL

McTavish is the name I’ve heard the most with Detroit early in the mock draft season but team sources have also said they think goalie Jesper Wallstedt or Michigan forward Kent Johnson could be the pick here too. An interesting thing with this pick is both Johnson and William Eklund face questions on if they’re actually NHL centers. Could Detroit use three high picks in four years on potential wingers?

 

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1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Khan has already prepped our bung holes for Wahlstep

I hope it's Kent Johnson though. Sounds like an auto generated name form NHL14.

I don't think anyone will bother me much at 6 in this draft. It's bonkers how many mock drafts have Detroit taking Wallsted though. 

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1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

I don't think anyone will bother me much at 6 in this draft. It's bonkers how many mock drafts have Detroit taking Wallsted though. 

It is assumptions based on what we have in the prospect pool, nothing more. 

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4 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

It is assumptions based on what we have in the prospect pool, nothing more. 

Ya think?

There are respected draft guys like Button who repeatedly slot the goalie in at 6 as if they didn't get the memo about taking a goalie top 10.............