Poll: Datsyuk on the team at 41?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Where's the hell no option?

 

His last year in the NHL he was a shadow of himself.  He's not going to be better after 3 years in the KHL.  He'd probably play 50 games and score maybe 30 points.

3 hours ago, gcom007 said:

40-50 points seems very doable with the offense we’re starting to get going. Not sure why anyone would turn their noses up at that. 

Because 40-50 points isn't that great and the spot could go to a young player

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 minute ago, DickieDunn said:

Where's the hell no option?

 

His last year in the NHL he was a shadow of himself.  He's not going to be better after 3 years in the KHL.  He'd probably play 50 games and score maybe 30 points.

Rather have that than Abby's 82 games with 20 points, or Helms 82 with 30 pts, or Nielsen's 82 with 35 points, etc etc. Would you rather play those guys?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Rather have that than Abby's 82 games with 20 points, or Helms 82 with 30 pts, or Nielsen's 82 with 35 points, etc etc. Would you rather play those guys?

I'd want them gone too, but Abdelkader's and Helm's deals are too long to buy out.  I said at the time both deals were horrible and got grief for it.  (Abby is tough and gritty!!!!!!!!!  Helm's worth that much for his speed alone!!!!!!!!!!!!) Nielsen is probably about the same as a 41 year old Datsyuk would probably be, especially considering he couldn't stay healthy his last 2 years in the NHL

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

Do I think Datsyuk is going to come over and be elite? No. But I think he's a better option than Nielsen and considering he's one of my favorite Red Wings ever I would absolutely love for him to finish his career here. 

I'll take the shadow of Datsyuk any day.

Unfortunately I don't think It's likely. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

20 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

I'd want them gone too, but Abdelkader's and Helm's deals are too long to buy out.  I said at the time both deals were horrible and got grief for it.  (Abby is tough and gritty!!!!!!!!!  Helm's worth that much for his speed alone!!!!!!!!!!!!) Nielsen is probably about the same as a 41 year old Datsyuk would probably be, especially considering he couldn't stay healthy his last 2 years in the NHL

Woah buddy, I'm not asking your opinion of their contracts or even them, I'm asking if you would prefer Datsyuk to them? I certainly would.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Datsyuk would not be a better Center than Nielsen. If he came back it would be Larkin, Nielsen,  Datsyuk, Glendening down the middle, in that order.

And bringing back Datsyuk would have nothing to do with what he used to be, it would be about what he is now. A reliable defensive forward with good passing and takeaway abilities who can still contribute at the NHL level.

Everyone keeps talking about him being a shell of his former self...so what? No one is suggesting that he isnt. But if he's still affective now, then he should be considered.

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

12 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Datsyuk would not be a better Center than Nielsen. If he came back it would be Larkin, Nielsen,  Datsyuk, Glendening down the middle, in that order.

And bringing back Datsyuk would have nothing to do with what he used to be, it would be about what he is now. A reliable defensive forward with good passing and takeaway abilities who can still contribute at the NHL level.

Everyone keeps talking about him being a shell of his former self...so what? No one is suggesting that he isnt. But if he's still affective now, then he should be considered.

IIRC Nielsen was playing 3C by the end of the year. I'm not sure about everyone else but I don't see him as a capable 2C. I also think Datsyuk puts up more than Nielsen's 35 points, so in this regard I disagree. 

Totally with you on the rest of the post. It doesn't matter if he's not the Datsyuk we used to know, I'd still bet he's a capable 3C and PP specialist. 

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

13 minutes ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said:

IIRC Nielsen was playing 3C by the end of the year. I'm not sure about everyone else but I don't see him as a capable 2C. I also think Datsyuk puts up more than Nielsen's 35 points, so in this regard I disagree.

Bert-Larkin-Mantha

AA-Nielsen-Moose

Hirose-Datsyuk-Zadina

Helm-Glendenning-Abby

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

1 hour ago, DickieDunn said:

Where's the hell no option?

 

His last year in the NHL he was a shadow of himself.  He's not going to be better after 3 years in the KHL.  He'd probably play 50 games and score maybe 30 points.

Because 40-50 points isn't that great and the spot could go to a young player

Like Joe Veleno maybe. 

With Holland gone, I hope this team gets rid of the delusion that young players should spend significant time in the minors.  I mean, how many good NHL players spent several years in the minors before being called up?  Not too many.  The guys that spend several years in the minors don't become good NHL players often.  

Just now, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Bert-Larkin-Mantha

AA-Nielsen-Moose

Hirose-Datsyuk-Zadina

Helm-Glendenning-Abby

Too many old, useless players on that list.  If we're going to have veterans, they need to be players who can contribute a little and be a positive influence in the locker room.  Not guys that take up roster space and eat away at the salary cap.  Yzerman needs to flush Kenny's crap down the toilet ASAP.  

[mackel 761]

1 hour ago, DickieDunn said:

I'd want them gone too, but Abdelkader's and Helm's deals are too long to buy out.  I said at the time both deals were horrible and got grief for it.  (Abby is tough and gritty!!!!!!!!!  Helm's worth that much for his speed alone!!!!!!!!!!!!) Nielsen is probably about the same as a 41 year old Datsyuk would probably be, especially considering he couldn't stay healthy his last 2 years in the NHL

It's time to bury one or both of those guys in the AHL and forget they exist (other than the majority of their cap hit)...  they may not like it but it's a performance based business.

31 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Datsyuk would not be a better Center than Nielsen. If he came back it would be Larkin, Nielsen,  Datsyuk, Glendening down the middle, in that order.

And bringing back Datsyuk would have nothing to do with what he used to be, it would be about what he is now. A reliable defensive forward with good passing and takeaway abilities who can still contribute at the NHL level.

Everyone keeps talking about him being a shell of his former self...so what? No one is suggesting that he isnt. But if he's still affective now, then he should be considered.

Effective **

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 minute ago, mackel said:

It's time to bury one or both of those guys in the AHL and forget they exist (other than the majority of their cap hit)...  they may not like it but it's a performance based business.

Its also a cap based business and taking a multimillion dollar hit on guys in the minors is a bad idea.

6 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said:

Too many old, useless players on that list.  If we're going to have veterans, they need to be players who can contribute a little and be a positive influence in the locker room. 

Like Nielsen and Datsyuk?

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Its also a cap based business and taking a multimillion dollar hit on guys in the minors is a bad idea.

Like Nielsen and Datsyuk?

Datsyuk is way too old and don't even mention Nielsen.  That contract is a disaster.  We don't need another player like that.  He doesn't contribute enough for that contract.   

[LeftWinger 5,124]

Helm & Cholowski to Winnipeg for Trouba, Nielsen to Isles for a pick, disney.com to Toronto for Gardiner (sign and trade)

Larkin, Datsyuk, Veleno, Ehn as your centers. Put Abby back with Dats and boom, 20 goals again. 

Bert - Larks - Mantha 

AA - Datsyuk - Abby

Zadina - Veleno - Hirose

DeLaRose - Ehn - Kufner

Rasmussen in GR to start.

Ok, ok, I'll stop.

 

[kliq 3,763]

3 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

I'd want them gone too, but Abdelkader's and Helm's deals are too long to buy out.  I said at the time both deals were horrible and got grief for it.  (Abby is tough and gritty!!!!!!!!!  Helm's worth that much for his speed alone!!!!!!!!!!!!) Nielsen is probably about the same as a 41 year old Datsyuk would probably be, especially considering he couldn't stay healthy his last 2 years in the NHL

You're making it sound as if you were the voice of reason, and everyone else was saying how great the contracts were. That is just not true,

99.9 % of the posters here didnt like the contracts. I can remember some people saying that Abby was worth the caphit if it was a much much shorter contract, I remember some people saying that Helm's caphit was market value, and I remember some people telling you that you that you were obsessing over it, but I dont think many were saying they were good contracts as a whole, there are always outliers, but that's revisionist history. 

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

Just because it's Pavel ******* Datsyuk!

 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

23 minutes ago, kliq said:

You're making it sound as if you were the voice of reason, and everyone else was saying how great the contracts were. That is just not true,

99.9 % of the posters here didnt like the contracts. I can remember some people saying that Abby was worth the caphit if it was a much much shorter contract, I remember some people saying that Helm's caphit was market value, and I remember some people telling you that you that you were obsessing over it, but I dont think many were saying they were good contracts as a whole, there are always outliers, but that's revisionist history. 

LGW: What'd you think of bringing back Datsyuk?

Dickie: I think Abby and Helms contracts suck

LGW: .....

Edited May 2, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[brett 1,029]

Why did he leave?

id take him back just to watch his dekes and setups don’t care if he gets a s*** ton of points as long as he isn’t a liability defensively. Wings defense doesn’t need anymore problems. 

 

or if it’s up to either him or a good defensemen I’ll take the dman

[gcom007 1,465]

1 hour ago, kliq said:

You're making it sound as if you were the voice of reason, and everyone else was saying how great the contracts were. That is just not true,

99.9 % of the posters here didnt like the contracts. I can remember some people saying that Abby was worth the caphit if it was a much much shorter contract, I remember some people saying that Helm's caphit was market value, and I remember some people telling you that you that you were obsessing over it, but I dont think many were saying they were good contracts as a whole, there are always outliers, but that's revisionist history. 

I topped the Abby thread for this reason. I think everyone at the time was at worst shrugging their shoulders. No one really liked the term as it came out. In my defense (lol), I did post before actual terms were announced. I don’t think the money is or was as bad as the term. It looks worse now, but it’s ludicrous to suggest that at the time, the money wasn’t reasonable and absolutely indicative of what Abdelkader was worth on the open market. 

[kickazz 5,459]

I don't think Datsyuk could survive a full year in the NHL. They hit hard, the ice is smaller. He'd be injured and out of commission much like his last few seasons in the NHL were spent. 

He's still got great hands but man he lost the fire the last 2-3 years in Detroit. Almost like he stopped giving a s***. 

And in the KHL he just looked much happier to play. 

Anyways I don't really see where he would fit in here. This team has a completely different identity now and kind of moved on from the "euro-twins/lidstrom" era. 

If we didn't have Nielsen, I'd be all for it. Right now, I feel as though it's just a big tease that won't mean much at the end of the day. 

[gcom007 1,465]

1 minute ago, kickazz said:

I don't think Datsyuk could survive a full year in the NHL. They hit hard, the ice is smaller. He'd be injured and out of commission much like his last few seasons in the NHL were spent. 

He's still got great hands but man he lost the fire the last 2-3 years in Detroit. Almost like he stopped giving a s***. 

And in the KHL he just looked much happier to play. 

Anyways I don't really see where he would fit in here. This team has a completely different identity now and kind of moved on from the "euro-twins/lidstrom" era. 

If we didn't have Nielsen, I'd be all for it. Right now, I feel as though it's just a big tease that won't mean much at the end of the day. 

Oh yeah, I’m sure he’s oblivious to the state of the current game and is cruising for IR. Come on. Especially a guy like Datsyuk. You think he doesn’t know the game like we could only dream of knowing anything? If he comes back to the Wings/NHL, this won’t be a matter we’ll be discussing. 

[kickazz 5,459]

5 minutes ago, gcom007 said:

Oh yeah, I’m sure he’s oblivious to the state of the current game and is cruising for IR. Come on. Especially a guy like Datsyuk. You think he doesn’t know the game like we could only dream of knowing anything? If he comes back to the Wings/NHL, this won’t be a matter we’ll be discussing. 

He was cruising towards it already at age 37 in the NHL. Guy couldn't play a full season without injury, you actually don't think he's going to be injury prone coming back at age 41?

[kliq 3,763]

20 minutes ago, gcom007 said:

I topped the Abby thread for this reason. I think everyone at the time was at worst shrugging their shoulders. No one really liked the term as it came out. In my defense (lol), I did post before actual terms were announced. I don’t think the money is or was as bad as the term. It looks worse now, but it’s ludicrous to suggest that at the time, the money wasn’t reasonable and absolutely indicative of what Abdelkader was worth on the open market. 

Agreed, I dont think many thought the caphit was an issue, it was always the term.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

27 minutes ago, kickazz said:

I don't think Datsyuk could survive a full year in the NHL. They hit hard, the ice is smaller. He'd be injured and out of commission much like his last few seasons in the NHL were spent.

Like Datsyuk has never played in the NHL before....
No one's expecting him to play 82 games either dumb guy

27 minutes ago, kickazz said:

He's still got great hands but man he lost the fire the last 2-3 years in Detroit. Almost like he stopped giving a s***. 

Datsyuk lost fire and didn't give a s***? does anyone else honestly believe this lol? Troll harder

27 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Anyways I don't really see where he would fit in here. This team has a completely different identity now and kind of moved on from the "euro-twins/lidstrom" era. 

If we didn't have Nielsen, I'd be all for it. Right now, I feel as though it's just a big tease that won't mean much at the end of the day. 

Bad trolling is bad

Edited May 2, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[LeftWinger 5,124]

Get ready folks, Dats is coming back. Remember when the rumblings started about the possibility Dats would retire? It all started with a Tweet and some chatter. Everyone said no, he'll finish his contract, he wont just leave. Well here we are, a Tweet and some chatter.

Let me be the first to say, welcome back Dats. A lot of us were mad you left, including me, said some bad things, but its water under the bridge, we'll see you in the fall.

[kickazz 5,459]

6 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Get ready folks, Dats is coming back. Remember when the rumblings started about the possibility Dats would retire? It all started with a Tweet and some chatter. Everyone said no, he'll finish his contract, he wont just leave. Well here we are, a Tweet and some chatter.

Let me be the first to say, welcome back Dats. A lot of us were mad you left, including me, said some bad things, but its water under the bridge, we'll see you in the fall.

Lmao this "straight to the point" post made me laugh out loud. 

2 hours ago, kliq said:

You're making it sound as if you were the voice of reason, and everyone else was saying how great the contracts were. That is just not true,

99.9 % of the posters here didnt like the contracts. I can remember some people saying that Abby was worth the caphit if it was a much much shorter contract, I remember some people saying that Helm's caphit was market value, and I remember some people telling you that you that you were obsessing over it, but I dont think many were saying they were good contracts as a whole, there are always outliers, but that's revisionist history. 

Including Dickie.

On 11/6/2015 at 12:10 PM, DickieDunn said:

Abdelkader is a decent player, but nothing special except that he's the only really physical guy the Wings have with any amount of skill. Depending on how long and how much, this could either be a decent contract or terrible. If he gets close to $5 mil for 6 years, I'm going to be pissed. If it's 4 or 5 years at $4.25 mil a year, I'll be ok with it.

Pros:

He scored 44 points last year and showed he has the skill that made him a 2nd round pick.

He's the only Wings' forward who is big, plays like he's big, and has shown NHL level skill.

Cons

He has one year where he scored at a good rate, other than a 20 game stretch where he was hot the previous year.

He's approaching the age where physical players start to tail off.

Lots of guys could score 20+ goals playing as much as he does with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.