ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, DickieDunn said: You don't sign a guy expecting he's only going to play 50 or 60 games unless it's a reserve player. How many 41 year olds do you expect to play a full NHL season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 Who cares how many games he plays? I'd pay him to just have him around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: How many 41 year olds do you expect to play a full NHL season? I said I'd want them gone, too, as in I don't want any of them. Maybe try to work on your reading comprehension? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) What's a fair contract for Datsyuk? 1 year $5 million? @kliq @krsmith17 @The 91 of Ryans @LeftWinger @Dabura @Jonas Mahonas @Euro_Twins @e_prime@Neomaxizoomdweebie @F.Michael @frankgrimes Edited May 2, 2019 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: How many 41 year olds do you expect to play a full NHL season? I don't usually expect a 41 to play in the NHL at all. Just now, kickazz said: What's a fair contract for Datsyuk? 1 year $5 million? 1 year $1.5 mil 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, DickieDunn said: I said I'd want them gone, too, as in I don't want any of them. Maybe try to work on your reading comprehension? oooo fiesty That wasn't the question though. So I'll ask it a third time. Who would you rather play in the lineup. Datsyuk or any of those 3? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: oooo fiesty That wasn't the question though. So I'll ask it a third time. Who would you rather play in the lineup. Datsyuk or any of those 3? None. If I had to choose one, I'd pick Nielsen, because I expect more than 50 games and 20-25 points from him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, kickazz said: What's a fair contract for Datsyuk? 1 year $5 million? @kliq @krsmith17 @The 91 of Ryans @LeftWinger @Dabura @Jonas Mahonas @Euro_Twins @e_prime@Neomaxizoomdweebie @F.Michael @frankgrimes Vanek $$$...1 yr at $3 million...Nothing more. 1 kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, kickazz said: What's a fair contract for Datsyuk? 1 year $5 million? As long as it's only one year, I honestly don't care about the cap hit. The only reason we'd need cap space for next season is if we're going after one of the big fish. And as you know, I have no interest in doing that. I'd rather Datsyuk for one year at $12M, than Karlsson for seven years at $12M... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, F.Michael said: Vanek $$$...1 yr at $3 million...Nothing more. I think he would likely replicate Vanek's numbers plus the playmaking and mentoring that Vanek isn't really known for. 60 ish games at best, 40 ish points. Just now, krsmith17 said: As long as it's only one year, I honestly don't care about the cap hit. The only reason we'd need cap space for next season is if we're going after one of the big fish. And as you know, I have no interest in doing that. I'd rather Datsyuk for one year at $12M, than Karlsson for seven years at $12M... Wow will you stop baiting me with Karlsson. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: None. If I had to choose one, I'd pick Nielsen, because I expect more than 50 games and 20-25 points from him. Ok. I'd pick Datsyuk over Nielsen. Based on the translation factor Dastyuk would have had roughly 30 pts in just 50 games in the NHL this year, or 47 over 82 if he played. That's a helluva lot better than 25 pts out of Nielsen in 82. Plus Datsyuk hits our books for about 1 to 1.5 whereas Nielsen hits it for 5+. 2 Wheelchairsuperhero and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, kickazz said: I think he would likely replicate Vanek's numbers plus the playmaking and mentoring that Vanek isn't really known for. 60 ish games at best, 40 ish points. Wow will you stop baiting me with Karlsson. From all accounts, Vanek was very good at this actually. I'd give Datsyuk 1 Yr @ 4 or 5 M 1 Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Ok. I'd pick Datsyuk over Nielsen. Based on the translation factor Dastyuk would have had roughly 30 pts in just 50 games in the NHL this year, or 47 over 82 if he played. That's a helluva lot better than 25 pts out of Nielsen in 82. Plus Datsyuk hits our books for about 1 to 1.5 whereas Nielsen hits it for 5+. 35 in 72 games for Nielsen. I doubt Daysuk would come close to either of those numbers, so I'd rather have Nielsen. Like krsmith said, cap hit for next year is largely irrelevant since they don't need it for anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, kickazz said: I think he would likely replicate Vanek's numbers plus the playmaking and mentoring that Vanek isn't really known for. 60 ish games at best, 40 ish points. Wow will you stop baiting me with Karlsson. To the bold...That's probably an accurate estimate. Being a fan of Dats I'm probably a bit too generous claiming he'll play 70 to 75 games, and garnering 50 sumthin pts. Either way - I'd love to see him play a season, or two with the Wings before he hangs the skates up for good. 1 Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: 35 in 72 games for Nielsen. I doubt Daysuk would come close to either of those numbers, so I'd rather have Nielsen. Like krsmith said, cap hit for next year is largely irrelevant since they don't need it for anyone. First you expect 20-25 out of Nielsen over a full season, now you expect 35 in 72? Which one is it? Guess you missed the bit about the KHL translation factor too huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: 35 in 72 games for Nielsen. I doubt Daysuk would come close to either of those numbers, so I'd rather have Nielsen. Like krsmith said, cap hit for next year is largely irrelevant since they don't need it for anyone. Maybe it's me being sentimental, but Dats was an elite player in his prime...Nielsen was never anything close to that. I'm of the opinion (be it right, or wrong) that Dats continues to be the better of the two at this stage of their careers. I expect Dats to be a bit slower, but his hockey IQ, and hands should still be there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,228 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 1 hour ago, kickazz said: What's a fair contract for Datsyuk? 1 year $5 million? @kliq @krsmith17 @The 91 of Ryans @LeftWinger @Dabura @Jonas Mahonas @Euro_Twins @e_prime@Neomaxizoomdweebie @F.Michael @frankgrimes What's his actual status? Is he technically still under contract with Arizona? Has that contract expired, or was it suspended indefinitely while he was in Russia? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dabura said: What's his actual status? Is he technically still under contract with Arizona? Has that contract expired, or was it suspended indefinitely while he was in Russia? The contract is expired but who knows where his "rights" belong. I guess technically still Arizona for the NHL and SKA for KHL until July. Edited May 2, 2019 by kickazz 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dabura said: What's his actual status? Is he technically still under contract with Arizona? Has that contract expired, or was it suspended indefinitely while he was in Russia? He's UFA 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dabura said: What's his actual status? Is he technically still under contract with Arizona? Has that contract expired, or was it suspended indefinitely while he was in Russia? Answer my question you NY ranger loving demon f***. I'm gathering census for some RL friends about what online Red Wing fanatics think his value is. Edited May 2, 2019 by kickazz 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 $3 million with incentives 2 Dabura and kickazz reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,228 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, kickazz said: The contract is expired but who knows where his "rights" belong. I guess technically still Arizona for the NHL and SKA for KHL until July. 2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: He's UFA Assuming he's UFA...sure, one year at $5M sounds reasonable. His cap hit probably doesn't matter much, unless perhaps we're thinking of adding several significant pieces and trying to pull a Cinderella. Ideally? This: Just now, gcom007 said: $3 million with incentives 3 minutes ago, kickazz said: Answer my question you NY ranger loving demon f***. I'm gathering census for some RL friends about what online Red Wing fanatics think his value is. How. Dare. You. Sir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dabura said: What's his actual status? Is he technically still under contract with Arizona? Has that contract expired, or was it suspended indefinitely while he was in Russia? I thought he was a free agent because his contract that we traded to Arizona expired two years ago. However, after doing some digging, I think they still hold his rights until July 1st, due to some rule that states a player that requests to voluntarily retire before his contract is complete, cannot play for another organization for three years. 1 2 Dabura, kickazz and ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg is already putting it out there via Russian papers and twitter supposedly that he's signing with them. Pretty sure he wanted to play for his home town and retire there before his career ended. 1 minute ago, krsmith17 said: I thought he was a free agent because his contract that we traded to Arizona expired two years ago. However, after doing some digging, I think they still hold his rights until July 1st, due to some rule that states a player that requests to voluntarily retire before his contract is complete, cannot play for another organization for three years. Correct, he's UFA July 1st though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted May 2, 2019 They hold the rights but I have little doubt they’d kick up any fuss about releasing those rights under the circumstances. Barely a point worth talking about. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
