Andreas Athanasiou Officially Signed 2 yrs. $3M AAV

[kickazz 5,459]

I don't think Franzen was elite.

Maybe he had elite level games but overall, I don't think he was elite. 

6 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Franzen and AA aren't comparable. That's been my stance since the very beginning, but yet it eludes some.

Except you compared them for paragraphs and pages. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

14 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Nah, I think AA should be used as a trading chip. Don't really give a s*** about him. What I do care about though is slaying people who have bias.  

I think joesuffP has me figured out best. So. Why can't you? 

 

Discussion won't continue until you're ready to finish what you started about Franzen. 

AA vs. Franzen during sophomore year. We can also visit their 3rd year once AA finishing his 3rd year in 2018/19 season. 

The discussion has already moved past you. No one's interested in comparing AA to Franzen's 2nd year, or your bizarre insistence that you're owed some type of explanation. Get over it.

4 minutes ago, kickazz said:

I don't think Franzen was elite.

Maybe he had elite level games but overall, I don't think he was elite. 

Except you compared them for paragraphs and pages. 

Yeah, talking about how they're not comparable...

[kickazz 5,459]

3 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

The discussion has already moved past you. No one's interested in comparing AA to Franzen's 2nd year, or your bizarre insistence that you're owed some type of explanation. Get over it.

Two forwards that are natural centers not being "comparable" makes a lot of sense. Cope out and evasion. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 minute ago, kickazz said:

Two forwards that are natural centers not being "comparable" makes a lot of sense. Cope out and evasion. 

Lol yes, Cope. Try it.

[kickazz 5,459]

2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Lol yes, Cope. Try it.

Cope with winning? I mean I'll try, but I can't promise you anything. Might need professional help. 

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1 minute ago, kickazz said:

Cope with winning? I mean I'll try, but I can't promise you anything. Might need professional help. 

You convinced me, probably the whole board.

AA and Franzen are extremely similar players. Like mirror images. That much is certain.

[kickazz 5,459]

1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

You convinced me, probably the whole board.

AA and Franzen are extremely similar players. Like mirror images. That much is certain.

No, but forwards are comparable. Reminds me of when Krsmith didn't want to compare Brenden Smith to certain players and got s*** for it. Similar to how Franzen and AA being compared now might not favor a stance. 

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1 minute ago, kickazz said:

No, but forwards are comparable. Reminds me of when Krsmith didn't want to compare Brenden Smith to certain players and got s*** for it. Similar to how Franzen and AA being compared now might not favor a stance. 

Why'd you pick Franzen then?

You can compare forwards to defensemen if you like, doesn't make it a good comparison.

[kickazz 5,459]

4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Why'd you pick Franzen then?

Because Franzen's your boy and AA is the one you currently think isn't good enough. Yet AA had a better first two years than Franzen. Thought this was simple?

Edited July 26, 2018 by kickazz

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Just now, kickazz said:

Because Franzen's your boy and AA is the one you currently think isn't good enough. Yet AA had a better first two years than Franzen. Thought this was simple?

Incorrect. Can we move on now? Or are you going to try to tell me what MY opinions are some more?

And just because I like Franzen as a former player does not at all make that a good comparison. Shall we compare Mrazek to Franzen? Cory Emmerton to Franzen? No, they're completely different players.

 

 

[joesuffP 1,746]

Franzen was a 7th round 4th line grinder at that time. Comparing sophomore years makes AA look so much worse

Franzen was in the lineup for his defensive game and developed into one the teams best goal scorers. AA’s offensive peak is comparable to a defense minded 4th liner. Congrats

Edited July 26, 2018 by joesuffP

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 minute ago, joesuffP said:

Franzen was a 7th round 4th line grinder. Comparing sophomore years with AA makes him look so much worse

[joesuffP 1,746]

Franzen was the teams best goal scorer for 5 years and was great in both ends but apparently AA’s elite skill level allows him to not learn how to play defense and contribute anything other than 30 points a year. It’s actually insulting that people would expect someone who skates fast to do anything more than look for breakaways

 

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8 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

Franzen was the teams best goal scorer for 5 years and was great in both ends but apparently AA’s elite skill level allows him to not learn how to play defense and contribute anything other than 30 points a year. It’s actually insulting that people would expect someone who skates fast to do anything more than look for breakaways

 

AA definitely has s*** to work on, as the vast majority of young players do. His faults are just extremely obvious, which is why he's under the microscope on this team right now.

He's got the talent to score a lot more than 30 pts though. He isn't a Jurco type that couldn't bring it on the NHL stage. AA has shown us he can. If he works on his s*** and earns more ice time his scoring will go up up up

Edited July 26, 2018 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[joesuffP 1,746]

I actually like AA and seeing how he develops is one of my biggest interests for next season. Some fans saying Blashill is dumb because he doesn’t let AA just go out there and wing it and try to score is just stupid. It’s actually detrimental for his career. He has a far better shot at becoming a solid two way player in the top six than scoring like Ovechkin (whose still miles better defensively that AA)

Lets not forget he doesn’t score very much either. Until AA proves it he is just the Red Wings version of Emerson Etem. Casual fans were super high on him too when he first broke into the league 

Edited July 26, 2018 by joesuffP

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

5 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

I actually like AA and seeing how he develops is one of my biggest interests for next season. Some fans saying Blashill is dumb because he doesn’t let AA just go out there and wing it and try to score is just stupid. It’s actually detrimental for his career. He has a far better shot at becoming a solid two way player in the top six than scoring like Ovechkin (whose still miles better defensively that AA)

Lets not forget he doesn’t score very much either

I'm right on board with all this partner.

Despite all the arguments from straw men in this thread, AA is actually probably the player I'm most excited to watch this coming season.

[kickazz 5,459]

37 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

Franzen was a 7th round 4th line grinder at that time. Comparing sophomore years makes AA look so much worse

Franzen was in the lineup for his defensive game and developed into one the teams best goal scorers. AA’s offensive peak is comparable to a defense minded 4th liner. Congrats

He was picked in the 3rd round. 

On 7/9/2018 at 3:01 AM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

AA has officially reached Mrazek status lol the stage is set

I look forward to this coming season bois

Tone 1

[kickazz 5,459]

16 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Despite all the arguments from straw men in this thread, AA is actually probably the player I'm most excited to watch this coming season.

Tone 2

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I'm right on board with all this partner.

Despite all the arguments from straw men in this thread, AA is actually probably the player I'm most excited to watch this coming season.

me too, and Zadina, in case he makes the team for opening night.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 hours ago, kickazz said:

He was picked in the 3rd round. 

Tone 1

 

3 hours ago, kickazz said:

Tone 2

You're awfully confused.

Same tone. AA very much is the new Mrazek in my so humble opinion. AKA he is the most divisive player. The player this board is going to fight about this coming year. And you're proving this theory of mine is correct. You've been trying to stoke a fight with me about AA for the last 3 pages, despite me telling you that I like AA, think he's a talented player, and that I'm optimistic about him going forward lol it's truly bizarre. I also think Franzen is divisive and I like him as a player.

2 hours ago, NerveDamage said:

me too, and Zadina, in case he makes the team for opening night.

Yeah I'm excited to see what kind of player Zadina is and what exactly we've got on our hands. But personally, at this point, I'm still more excited to watch AA's season. Zadina could secretly be awful (admittedly unlikely), or need time to develop in the minors, or might be a boring player like I would say Zetterberg kinda is (not flashy). With AA I know exactly what were getting. High-speed highlight reel dangles and snips. At the end of the day that's my guilty pleasure. And he'll probably do more of them this year unless other teams really crack down me thinks.

Edited July 27, 2018 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[kickazz 5,459]

2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

You're awfully confused.

Same tone. AA very much is the new Mrazek in my so humble opinion. AKA he is the most divisive player. The player this board is going to fight about this coming year. And you're proving this theory of mine is correct. You've been trying to stoke a fight with me about AA for the last 3 pages, despite me telling you that I like AA, think he's a talented player, and that I'm optimistic about him going forward lol it's truly bizarre. I also think Franzen is divisive and I like him as a player.

So you like AA? 

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3 minutes ago, kickazz said:

So you like AA? 

No I think he's a dumpster fire on skates. U?

[kickazz 5,459]

1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

No I think he's a dumpster fire on skates. U?

Flashy, speedy. High potential. Otherwise lazy and sucks. 

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2 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Flashy, speedy. High potential. Otherwise lazy and sucks. 

More like: Slow. Disappears for games. Great shot and instincts. Underrated defensively. Wins board battles. Takes over games. Stubborn as a mule. Not as good as Hossa.

[kickazz 5,459]

2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

More like: Slow. Disappears for games. Great shot and instincts. Underrated defensively. Wins board battles. Takes over games. Stubborn as a mule. Not as good as Hossa.

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What is a ginger?