LadyRedWing 1 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 SO should we resign the one that people wanted to trade off? Wings are still interested, what do you all think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LadyRedWing 1 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 Yes, agree with the three year deal, I hope he is willing to take a little bit of a cut to stay. And on the neck injury it isnt clear, I do know for a fact he skated today and that was per Krupa from the Detroit News. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BinMucker94 302 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 Yes, he’s a very solid puck moving defenseman that the young guys coming up can learn from. 2 krsmith17 and Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 I would definitely take Green back. Love having him on the team and he'd help our younger defensemen as they transition to the NHL. I think I read a while back when the trade deadline rumors first got started and he/his agent reiterated a desire to re-sign with the wings, they were saying something along the lines of Green knows that his next contract will be worth less at this point in his career. He seems like a very down to earth guy. I say offer him 4 mill / 3 years or 5 / 2 and go from there. 1 LadyRedWing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Datsyukian Deke 127 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 4.5/2 would be my target. I don't like the 3 years, initially...we tend to "overterm" (<-is that even a word?) and that needs to change moving forward. 1 LadyRedWing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 Yes I love Green Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 It depends on who is the GM. Holland is likely to give him a stupid deal, 5 years at $5 mil or something. A reasonable deal, maybe, depending on if another D can be moved. If he comes back, they have Green, Daley, Dekeyser, Kronwall, Ericsson, Jensen next year. There needs to be at least 2 open spots for rookies, and not as a reserve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Datsyukian Deke 127 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 That spot problem is not going to improve next year, at least not before the deadline. the season after next, '19-'20, with Kronwall of the books and Ouellet (likely) not re-signed, that's the first year with spots possibly available (under condition nobody gets moved out, or comes in, before that, ofc). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) I don't re-sign him unless it's 2 years and less than the last contract. Anything more than 3 years is bad. Edited February 27, 2018 by kickazz 1 chaps80 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,802 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, F.Michael said: Yes. Rumors were prior to the deadline that he may not be traded since he apparently likes being a Red Wing. Add to the fact that he has a 'neck injury' - his trade value plummeted. What concerns me most - will this so called 'injury' affect his future performance? If he's medically clear - no issues with his health - I would not mind seeing him sign a 3 yr deal for a 'reasonable' cap hit of no more than $4 mill per season. Does he realize this isn't 2008? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 Yes, we should re-sign our best defenseman... If you're complaining about no roster spots for the kids, you sign Green and trade one of the many mediocre defensemen. There's not a single defensemen on the team that can do what Mike Green does on a nightly basis. Nor is there a kid in the minors that can step in and do it right away. Hronek will hopefully be that guy in another year or two, but Green is the one guy, I'd want him learning from. Re-signing Green is a no-brainer, and after not getting anything for him at the deadline, I'd be pissed to see him walk for nothing... 2 years $10.5M (preferably) or 3 years 12M is around what I'd like to see. 3 derblaueClaus, e_prime and marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Yes, we should re-sign our best defenseman... If you're complaining about no roster spots for the kids, you sign Green and trade one of the many mediocre defensemen. There's not a single defensemen on the team that can do what Mike Green does on a nightly basis. Nor is there a kid in the minors that can step in and do it right away. Hronek will hopefully be that guy in another year or two, but Green is the one guy, I'd want him learning from. Re-signing Green is a no-brainer, and after not getting anything for him at the deadline, I'd be pissed to see him walk for nothing... 2 years $10.5M (preferably) or 3 years 12M is around what I'd like to see. Best of a bunch of mediocre guys doesn't make him good. That's like the tallest person in Munchkin Land, the most honest person in the Senate Edited February 27, 2018 by DickieDunn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) I’m not interested in re-signing “because he’s going to teach the kids”. No f*** that. We re-sign him and trade him at the next deadline or even the year after that. This guy has to stay and will be a hot commodity for the deadline for a couple more years. Hanging on to him shows some loyalty; he’ll resign. And we subsequently trade him for a 1st when he isn’t injured hopefully. The rebuild is a long term project. Hanging onto Green won’t change his value like it potentially could have with Mrazek (who is still young and unpredictable). Basically I still want us to get a 1st rounder for this guy. Was hoping it would have been this year but obviously no one wanted to give it. So we try again next year (or in 2020- still a strong draft). I’m assuming Holland has the same thought process. Hopefully this time around there’s a modified NTC or nothing it all. And if that’s the case, my theory has some subtance to it. Edited February 27, 2018 by kickazz 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, DickieDunn said: Best of a bunch of mediocre guys doesn't make him good. That's like the tallest person in Munchkin Land, the most honest person in the Senate He's a top three on any team in this league, top two on most and number one on ours. But yeah, let's let him walk. Our defense sucks, so why not make it worse right?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, kickazz said: I’m not interested in re-signing “because he’s going to teach the kids”. No f*** that. We re-sign him and trade him at the next deadline or even the year after that. This guy has to stay and will be a hot commodity for the deadline for a couple more years. Hanging on to him shows some loyalty; he’ll resign. And we subsequently trade him for a 1st when he isn’t injured hopefully. The rebuild is a long term project. Hanging onto Green won’t change his value like it potentially could have with Mrazek (who is still young and unpredictable) In the end, the NHL is a business. Sign him for $4M-$5M 1 yr. In hopes of (trying again) flipping him to a contender in 2019. That makes the most business sense. Unless we score JT, he'll be too old by time we are serious contenders again. Stranger things have happened, but we have to flip him for a 1st. If he weren't injured, he would've been dealt. He will have the same value, maybe more TDL again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) I'm 99% positive Holland has intention of keeping Green and trading him. The problem is Green may want a long term which would make it hard for us. Edited February 27, 2018 by kickazz 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, kickazz said: I'm 99% positive Holland has intention of keeping Green and trading him. The problem is Green may want a long term which would make it hard for us. Ya, he may just opt to sign with a Cup contender to begin with. Oh well, as stated before, not Kenny's fault he got injured, at least we still got that second 1st round pick! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, LadyRedWing said: SO should we resign the one that people wanted to trade off? Wings are still interested, what do you all think? Welcome to LGW. Unless of course, you're a retread, than shame on you. I voted yes, and I think its likely he's re-signed. He wants to be here, he just started a family, he didn't seem all that enthusiastic about being traded to a contender. I believe the reason he wasn't traded is because the return wasn't good enough. I think there were teams interested, I would be shocked if someone wasn't willing to throw at least a lower draft pick out there for him, despite his injury. I think it was more of Holland not wanting to sour his relationship with Green by accepting a lowball offer for him. The only reason he would do that is if he is interested in bringing Green back. I also think that if Holland got anything from Green that he wasn't serious about re-signing, he would have traded him for the best offer, even if it was lower. (Like Mrazek). Seems like both of them are on the same page. That said, I am thinking a 3 year/15 million dollar deal. 6.0 year 1, 5.0 year 2, 4.0 year 3. Makes it a 5 mil cap hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juklitz 85 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 Holland saying he´s looking to 20/21 with deep dive, I´d expect 4M/3Y.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 Holland is still hoping to make the playoffs. IF that happens, then Green may be our TDL addition! Seriously though, if, for some act of miracle, this team squeaks in, having Green is better than not having him. And if Holland is truly looking 2-3 years in advance, I agree, I can see him giving Green another 3 year deal, hopefully somewhere between $4M-$5M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 $4-4.5 mil for 2-3 years would sit okay with me if he’s healthy. Still should’ve found a way to trade him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 5 hours ago, GMRwings1983 said: Does he realize this isn't 2008? Do you realize that for some guys it's about where they are happy in terms of their work and family life? Maybe he see something in this franchise that makes him want to stay. Everyone wants to win but its not everything to everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted February 28, 2018 5 hours ago, kickazz said: I don't re-sign him unless it's 2 years and less than the last contract. Anything more than 3 years is bad. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted February 28, 2018 I've been undecided, but I do want Green back. I do think we have too many vets for a rebuilding team, though, and I think we should clear a spot on the back end by the end of the next year for either Hronek or Hicketts. It's Kronwall last year next year, so it's really only a problem for next year. If Kronwall goes through injury woes the problem takes care of itself, but he's been pretty sturdy this year. Looking at our capfriendly page, for next year, Ericsson's NTC just means that he gets a 19 team no-trade list. And Daley's NTC just means that 10 days before the deadline, he can provide a 15 team no-trade list. So those could be options for trades if the young guys really look like they're ready and there's no injuries. 2 krsmith17 and Neomaxizoomdweebie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 28, 2018 3 hours ago, puckbags said: Do you realize that for some guys it's about where they are happy in terms of their work and family life? Maybe he see something in this franchise that makes him want to stay. Everyone wants to win but its not everything to everyone. This is what I've been saying, and exactly the reason why I was having doubts about him being traded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
