kipwinger 8,671 Report post Posted December 20, 2023 10 hours ago, Axl Foley said: I think Ghost and Sprong get re-signed. I'm all for that assuming SY can keep the cap number reasonable, keeping in mind we've got to give Seider and Raymond and Veleno significant raises as well. Ghost in particular has been huge for us this season and I'd love to see him inked to a 3 year deal. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 347 Report post Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: I'm all for that assuming SY can keep the cap number reasonable, keeping in mind we've got to give Seider and Raymond and Veleno significant raises as well. Ghost in particular has been huge for us this season and I'd love to see him inked to a 3 year deal. Seider = $8x3 Raymond = $7x4 Veleno = $2x2 Rasmussen = $2x1 That would leave us $10 million in cap space with this roster: Debrincat - Larkin - Raymond Fabbri - Copp - Compher Rasmussen - Veleno - Kostin Walman - Seider Chiarot - Holl Maata - Petry Husso Lyon UFAs: Kane, Ghost, Perron, Fischer, Sprong, Czarnik, Reimer Even if we round out the rest of the roster with league min contracts, that still adds another $4.5 million, taking us down to $5 million in free cap space. I don't want to spend literally all of that on Ghost. And unless we are selling one of the bottom 4 Dmen, I don't see any room for Ghostbear, let alone much room for Edvinsson to play. Couple that with the fact that Ghostbear is our most valuable trade piece, and I think he's got to go. IMO we should use this year to sell all the pending UFA's we can, bring Edvinsson and Beggren onto the roster next year. Then use the remaining $8 million to re-sign Sprong, and bring in x2 more new forwards. Next year we can shed Petry, Maata, and Fabbri, and can then focus on reforming the defense. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 735 Report post Posted December 22, 2023 Would a package of: Berggren, a lotto protected 1st and Matta be enough to land Elias Lindholm? Close, too much, too little? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted December 23, 2023 Rumor has it Yzerman is targeting Broberg And is in talks with Holland. Kane probably going to Edm at the deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 735 Report post Posted December 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Rumor has it Yzerman is targeting Broberg And is in talks with Holland. Kane probably going to Edm at the deadline. Why Broberg is terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted December 23, 2023 42 minutes ago, mackel said: Why Broberg is terrible. you will need to ask steven 17 hours ago, mackel said: Would a package of: Berggren, a lotto protected 1st and Matta be enough to land Elias Lindholm? Close, too much, too little? Id say youre not too far off. Maybe kasper instead of berggren. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 157 Report post Posted December 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Scott R Lucidi said: Rumor has it Yzerman is targeting Broberg And is in talks with Holland. Kane probably going to Edm at the deadline. LOL Broberg is a bust, Holland would be lucky to get a 5th round pick for him right now, We still need RHD not LHD. I seriously doubt that Edmonton can afford Bouchard long term. And there's absolutely no freaking way Kane waives for Edmonton, He's already stated numerous times that he wants to remain in the Eastern Conference. 1 Scott R Lucidi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stephen-gregory-yzerman 129 Report post Posted December 23, 2023 If your gonna make up rumors at least make them somewhat believable. Kane isnt going anywhere and the last thing this team needs is LHD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Lucidi 675 Report post Posted December 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, stephen-gregory-yzerman said: If your gonna make up rumors at least make them somewhat believable. Kane isnt going anywhere and the last thing this team needs is LHD. Yzweman likes Broberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
88Kaner 33 Report post Posted December 24, 2023 Ghost has the worst plus minus on the team that's not by accident, who cares if the guy puts up points he's the worst defender on the team and he's on the blue line. We all know seider could easily have the same point totals or probably better if he was on the first unit. Holl and Maatta are plus 5 and 6 respectfully yet they get scratched so this ******* loser can play. Make it make sense boys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted December 24, 2023 I don't believe Kane is going anywhere. Probably re-signs. I can see Yzerman dealing with Edmonton for a D, but it'll probably be Bouchard. I can see Rasmussen going back. I know he fills a role, but I believe Berggren is more important to the future here. 2 13dangledangle and 88Kaner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
88Kaner 33 Report post Posted December 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I don't believe Kane is going anywhere. Probably re-signs. I can see Yzerman dealing with Edmonton for a D, but it'll probably be Bouchard. I can see Rasmussen going back. I know he fills a role, but I believe Berggren is more important to the future here. He looked explosive tonight! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwingsfan58 157 Report post Posted December 24, 2023 On 12/22/2023 at 6:12 PM, mackel said: Would a package of: Berggren, a lotto protected 1st and Matta be enough to land Elias Lindholm? Close, too much, too little? That's probably the offer for Noah Hanifin, But i seriously doubt it gets the job done with Elias Lindholm. 12 hours ago, LeftWinger said: I don't believe Kane is going anywhere. Probably re-signs. I can see Yzerman dealing with Edmonton for a D, but it'll probably be Bouchard. I can see Rasmussen going back. I know he fills a role, but I believe Berggren is more important to the future here. Just my gut feeling, That Kane, Ghost and Sprong will be re-signed. 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said: Just my gut feeling, That Kane, Ghost and Sprong will be re-signed I would be fine with that. But here's something to think about. With Stamkos probably going on the block, and of course with all the rumors that will be swirling with the Yzerman connection, would we have room for Berggren to get a roster spot next year? Does Yzerman acquire Stamkos via trade or wait for UFA? Edvinsson looked right at home last night on the team, where does his spot come from if they re-sign Ghost? Here's my opinion of a couple of example moves (especially if we're out of the playoffs) Trade Maatta, Rasmussen, pick to Edmonton for Bouchard and a pick. Trade Perron to a contender for a pick. Maybe Perron goes to Edmonton in the above package for a higher pick in return. I'd also help them out with acquiring some cap for even a better returned pick. Maybe Foegle? I'm not sure how important he is to them though. Fischer is not re-signed. Re-sign Kane, Ghost, Sprong. If not picked up at TDL, sign Stamkos as UFA. Buyout Petry, thus opening up a spot for Edvinsson and with the previously acquired Bouchard, making Holl the #6/7 with Chiarot. We really need to address the goaltending. Outside of possibly keeping Lyon as a backup, I don't want to see any of our G's back next season. And of course promote Berggren permanently. None of this has been run through capfriendly.com, so this may not even being possible. Edited December 24, 2023 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted December 24, 2023 Regarding Kane, 10 games 10 points. He's doing exactly what Yzerman expected him to do. Kane chose Detroit to be here, not get traded. He'll re-sign, probably 2-3 years $5M-$6M. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
88Kaner 33 Report post Posted December 24, 2023 Why would you want to resign ghost? Dudes -9 can't throw a hit & can't defend.. can't afford Stamkos if we keep Kane and Ghost when Raymond and Seider will both be getting significant raises. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 347 Report post Posted December 25, 2023 15 hours ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said: That's probably the offer for Noah Hanifin, But i seriously doubt it gets the job done with Elias Lindholm. Just my gut feeling, That Kane, Ghost and Sprong will be re-signed. 13 hours ago, LeftWinger said: I would be fine with that. But here's something to think about. With Stamkos probably going on the block, and of course with all the rumors that will be swirling with the Yzerman connection, would we have room for Berggren to get a roster spot next year? Does Yzerman acquire Stamkos via trade or wait for UFA? Edvinsson looked right at home last night on the team, where does his spot come from if they re-sign Ghost? Here's my opinion of a couple of example moves (especially if we're out of the playoffs) Trade Maatta, Rasmussen, pick to Edmonton for Bouchard and a pick. Trade Perron to a contender for a pick. Maybe Perron goes to Edmonton in the above package for a higher pick in return. I'd also help them out with acquiring some cap for even a better returned pick. Maybe Foegle? I'm not sure how important he is to them though. Fischer is not re-signed. Re-sign Kane, Ghost, Sprong. If not picked up at TDL, sign Stamkos as UFA. Buyout Petry, thus opening up a spot for Edvinsson and with the previously acquired Bouchard, making Holl the #6/7 with Chiarot. We really need to address the goaltending. Outside of possibly keeping Lyon as a backup, I don't want to see any of our G's back next season. And of course promote Berggren permanently. None of this has been run through capfriendly.com, so this may not even being possible. 13 hours ago, LeftWinger said: Regarding Kane, 10 games 10 points. He's doing exactly what Yzerman expected him to do. Kane chose Detroit to be here, not get traded. He'll re-sign, probably 2-3 years $5M-$6M. How do you guys expect to re-sign these guys, let alone sign Stamkos? Are Seider and Raymond taking HUGE discounts? Are we somehow unloading Copp and Chiarot? Seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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LeftWinger 5,065 Report post Posted December 26, 2023 On 12/25/2023 at 1:46 AM, Troy McClure said: How do you guys expect to re-sign these guys, let alone sign Stamkos? Are Seider and Raymond taking HUGE discounts? Are we somehow unloading Copp and Chiarot? Seriously. It'll take a bit of a discount from everyone. They will have $30M-ish available in cap next year. The most expensive contract will probably be Seider. Veleno hasn't earned that huge of a raise, but he will get one for sure. Raymond earned a raise, but I think he'll settle for a bridge contract available decent (hopefully) price. Kane will get a raise, Ghost is already at $4M, he may sign for about the same. Sprong hasn't earned too much more either. I'm willing to bet Yzerman can get Stsmkos for 2-3 years at $5M. Whether or not this keeps us under the cap, I'm not sure, but, outside of the RFA'S the ordee of importance are: Kane, Sprong, Stamkos, Ghost. IMO. I'm definitely shopping Perron, Rasmussen and Maatta at the TDL if they're out of the playoffs. Buying out Petry and possibly even Husso over the summer. We need a G, a legit #1. That could be a trade as well. Which could involve another D or maybe another NHL F. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 735 Report post Posted December 26, 2023 I'm thinking Seider gets less than would've been predicted before the season and Raymond gets more. I think Seider has been star level but just barely. He's plateaued but at a reasonably high level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
88Kaner 33 Report post Posted December 27, 2023 17 hours ago, mackel said: I'm thinking Seider gets less than would've been predicted before the season and Raymond gets more. I think Seider has been star level but just barely. He's plateaued but at a reasonably high level. If he wasn't playing behind Ghost on the pp he'd be on pace for career highs. I also feel like Ghost is taking away his o zone starts as well. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, mackel said: I'm thinking Seider gets less than would've been predicted before the season and Raymond gets more. I think Seider has been star level but just barely. He's plateaued but at a reasonably high level. Hard disagree. Saw a fancy chart using new NHL tracking data the other day and not only do Seider-Walman get assigned the the most match-ups vs elite nhl talent on the Wings team but also league wide and it’s not even close. And the gap in these assigned minutes between the Seider pair and the Chiarot pair is larger than any other teams 1st vs 2nd pair and this isn’t even close either. Here’s the chart: https://x.com/Jennife99697952/status/1739755970182402154?s=20 TLDR? 22 yr old Seider plays the most hard minutes and the least easy minutes of ANY other dman in the league, by a wide margin. He’s no where close to his “plateau”. Edited December 27, 2023 by The 91 of Ryans 2 13dangledangle and 88Kaner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Troy McClure 347 Report post Posted December 27, 2023 46 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Hard disagree. Saw a fancy chart using new NHL tracking data the other day and not only do Seider-Walman get assigned the the most match-ups vs elite nhl talent on the Wings team but also league wide and it’s not even close. And the gap in these assigned minutes between the Seider pair and the Chiarot pair is larger than any other teams 1st vs 2nd pair and this isn’t even close either. Here’s the chart: https://x.com/Jennife99697952/status/1739755970182402154?s=20 TLDR? 22 yr old Seider plays the most hard minutes and the least diff minutes of ANY other dman in the league, by a wide margin. He’s no where close to his “plateau”. Yup. I think we will be lucky to get Seider on an 8x8. With what he provides he can command more, especially with thecap going up this year, and rising expectations every year after. Though a bridge deal might help us in the short term, i think its better to pay this kid now on a huge contract. Set him up to be a wings lifer and show our commitment. 1 88Kaner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
88Kaner 33 Report post Posted December 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Troy McClure said: Yup. I think we will be lucky to get Seider on an 8x8. With what he provides he can command more, especially with thecap going up this year, and rising expectations every year after. Though a bridge deal might help us in the short term, i think its better to pay this kid now on a huge contract. Set him up to be a wings lifer and show our commitment. He could demand 10.5 easily look at the young d around the league they get paid well. If yzerman gets him under 9.5 it's a steal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites