Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

[NerveDamage 4,176]

I would question the validity of that source. Since they don't even have one...

I know, I don't know how or where they get some of their rumours, but in some cases, like with the whole Vessey thing, they are really up to date.

Yeah,unless they are trying to offer us Jack Johnson. But not sure he is worth Nyquist.

Johnson's on injury reserve. Any chance they'd be willing to give up Savard or Seth Jones?

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

I know, I don't know how or where they get some of their rumours, but in some cases, like with the whole Vessey thing, they are really up to date.

Johnson's on injury reserve. Any chance they'd be willing to give up Savard or Seth Jones?

Jones and Murray are untouchable.

Savard is not worth trading Nyquist for.

I would be interested in Werenski but he would cost more than Nyquist.

[krsmith17 7,191]

I'd give up Nyquist plus for Werenski for sure. Kid is going to be a stud.

I'm sure Werenski would love to come here too. Local kid and best buds with Larkin...

[Jacksoni 418]

NHL.com writes about the wings fantasy status:

https://www.nhl.com/news/detroit-red-wings-fantasy-outlook-30-in-30/c-281334062?tid=281244176

[LeftWinger 5,065]

Werenski

Who does it take to get?

But is werenski a top 2 guy or just a prospect?

Edited August 17, 2016 by LeftWinger

[Jacksoni 418]

Werenski

Who does it take to get?

But is werenski a top 2 guy or just a prospect?

I'd say Nyquist and Mantha. Or Nyquist and a second. Something along those lines. Werenski is a prospect only, but believed to be top 2 (real) soon. Top 4 would be a bust for him, if you get the point.

[Andy Pred 48 337]

Nyqvist and Smith and a 4th for Werenski and Jenner.

[Dabura 12,228]

Nyqvist and Smith and a 4th for Werenski and Jenner.

Nyquist + Smith + 4th would get you neither Werenski nor Jenner, never mind BOTH.

[LeftWinger 5,065]

The question is, how does Werenski compare to Adam Larsson, because we don't have a Taylor Hall to give up.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

Nyquist + Smith + 4th would get you neither Werenski nor Jenner, never mind BOTH.

we all mention Nyq for a trade, but, as of now, it seems that Tats has more trade value

[krsmith17 7,191]

Larsson likely had more value at the time of the trade, but I think Werenski will be much better than Larsson in a few years...

[kickazz 5,459]

Nyquist + Smith + 4th would get you neither Werenski nor Jenner, never mind BOTH.

Well according to that "source" CBJ are the ones "VERY" interested in Nyquist so if they're desperate.

Edited August 18, 2016 by kickazz

[Johan 0]

Nyqvist has been on a 25 game chunk where he was close to 3 goals per 60. Pretty unique.

[kliq 3,763]

Nyqvist has been on a 25 game chunk where he was close to 3 goals per 60. Pretty unique.

Do you mean 3 points? Even 2 goals per game over a 25 game period is 50 goals which he has never came close to hitting in a 25 game period.

[Euro_Twins 4,485]

Do you mean 3 points? Even 2 goals per game over a 25 game period is 50 goals which he has never came close to hitting in a 25 game period.

I might be wrong but I think he meant 3 goals per 60 minutes ice time

[Dabura 12,228]

When someone brought up that we had us significantly less trades then everyone else for the past 5 years - I think that's because we're really the only team in the situation of doing a rebuild without tanking at some point.

Last eleven years. No one has made fewer trades, and it's not even close.

[Dabura 12,228]

Well according to that "source" CBJ are the ones "VERY" interested in Nyquist so if they're desperate.

They would probably want to move, say, David Savard or Jack Johnson. At 23 years old, Boone Jenner is coming off a 49-point season (30 goals, 19 assists). He's going to be a very good 2C, possibly even a 1C. Zach Werenski projects as a top-pairing defenseman.

Another thing to consider: the Jackets are -- or, at least, were (I haven't really read up on them in a while) -- facing a cap crunch. Nyquist's cap hit is reasonable, but if the Jackets are taking him on, then they're probably unloading some money.

Edited August 19, 2016 by Dabura

[NerveDamage 4,176]

They would probably want to move, say, David Savard or Jack Johnson. At 23 years old, Boone Jenner is coming off a 49-point season (30 goals, 19 assists). He's going to be a very good 2C, possibly even a 1C. Zach Werenski projects as a top-pairing defenseman.

Another thing to consider: the Jackets are -- or, at least, were (I haven't really read up on them in a while) -- facing a cap crunch. Nyquist's cap hit is reasonable, but if the Jackets are taking him on, then they're probably unloading some money.

With that projection, why would they want to trade Jenner? It seems like they'd be in the losing end of the trade.

I don't think it would be smart be to trade for Johnson, he'd be coming out of a shoulder surgery, wouldn't it be too much of a risk?

[krsmith17 7,191]

I think that was his point. Columbus aren't trading Jenner or Werenski unless it's a significant overpayment. As much as I would love either, I probably wouldn't want to pay what it would likely cost...

[kickazz 5,459]

Was just driving by Joe Louis on the way to friends apartment and saw Larkin and some of the other players.

Larkin looks more ripped, must have been working out for some gainz this summer

Assuming that was him and not Harry Potter or something.

Edited August 19, 2016 by kickazz

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Last eleven years. No one has made fewer trades, and it's not even close.

A.K.A. since the salary cap. It's clear that has been our policy since the cap - go with homegrown draft picks and prospects for the majority of our players. In this time, I think every other team, at some point, has either traded a lot of their future in a big push to win (Pens, FLA, KIngs, etc) or traded away aging stars in order to tank and get picks (Flames, Buffalo, etc.) We haven't been in either of these extreme situations so it makes sense that we have tallied much less trades - that was what I was saying.

Now, you can argue that we should go through the cycle of boom and bust, but that's another conversation, i think.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Is there a correlation between quantity of trades and organizational success? Serious question to those willing to do the research or who happen to already know.

[Dabura 12,228]

With that projection, why would they want to trade Jenner? It seems like they'd be in the losing end of the trade.

I don't think it would be smart be to trade for Johnson, he'd be coming out of a shoulder surgery, wouldn't it be too much of a risk?

I haven't heard anything about them wanting to trade Jenner. Again, though, I haven't been paying much attention to them -- really, the rumor mill in general -- this summer. If they are looking to move Jenner, it'd be for a big return.

Johnson, to me, has always been overrated. If I'm the Wings, I've zero interest in him. I like Savard more, but I'm not sure I'd move Nyquist for him.

Is there a correlation between quantity of trades and organizational success? Serious question to those willing to do the research or who happen to already know.

I doubt there's much of a correlation.

Personally, when I point out that the Red Wings have made, like, 25 trades over the past decade (next fewest: the Devils, with something like 50), my point isn't "See? That's why we've been struggling!" Rather, my point is that Ken Holland has his head up his ass.

Edited August 20, 2016 by Dabura

[Dominator2005 558]

KH will invite Hudler (top 6 forward) and Quincey (top 4 defensemen) to training camp...

Question for KQ lovers: why he's still available?

[kickazz 5,459]

Two months ago people were saying "Watch! Holland's going to sign Quincey and Hudler as fre agents!". Instead they signed, Nielsen and Vanek.

Now it's "Holland will invite Quincey and Hudler to training camp!"

And then when they aren't invited what's the next attempt? Pretending like Hudler and Quincey are on the roster even though they aren't? "Look they're on the roster, I'm telling you Holland signed them, they just haven't made an appearance yet, just wait"

Edited August 21, 2016 by kickazz