nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 21, 2015 Saw on Twitter murray said that buff is looking to move up from 21 or trade it for a player Just curious , what it would take to get the 21 pick? If we had 19 and 21 we could draft 2 really good dmen and hope one becomes a top pairing dman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 Hasn't the Wiz criticized the Wings for lowballing players? I thought he and Kessler were two Michigan players who don't want to play for the home team. You mean James "Detroit doesn't pay fair market value" Wiz? 2 TheXym and Internet.Unknown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 You mean James "Detroit doesn't pay fair market value" Wiz? No I think they mean, James "the guy who got his money and is probably looking to have a bounce back year with a new team" Wisniewski. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,076 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 It would take far less to get Wiz than to get Phanuef, BUT is Wiz the guy to turn our D around? Not saying Phanuef is, but now that Babcock is in TO, he may want to try to get some of "his" players on his new team...ie, Miller, Glenny, Helm, Abby, KFQ, Big E... I would take a trade for Wiz, as long as there is another D signing, like Green, Martin or Franson. I am also ok with seeing if Weiss can produce under Blashill, assuming he is the next coach, but forgot about Soderberg being available via UFA. I can imagine a line of Nyquist - Soderberg- Zetterberg would be fairly productive, and would probably have good chemistry...for some reason... I'd take a trade for Wiz, sign Mike Green and sign Soderberg. That, for me, would be a great off season. Trade away Weiss, Kindl and give Babcock his Andersson back. EIther trade him there or let them sign him as an RFA and get a little compensation...or keep him to compete with Ferraro and Callahan for the 13th/14th spot. Tatar - Datsuk - Pulkkinen Nyquist - Soderberg - Zetterberg Jurco - Sheahan - Helm MIller - Glendening - Abdelkader Ferraro (Andersson or Callahan) Kronwall - Green Ericsson - Wisniewski Quincey - Dekeyser Jensen Mrazek Howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,702 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 It would take far less to get Wiz than to get Phanuef, BUT is Wiz the guy to turn our D around? Not saying Phanuef is, but now that Babcock is in TO, he may want to try to get some of "his" players on his new team...ie, Miller, Glenny, Helm, Abby, KFQ, Big E... I would take a trade for Wiz, as long as there is another D signing, like Green, Martin or Franson. I am also ok with seeing if Weiss can produce under Blashill, assuming he is the next coach, but forgot about Soderberg being available via UFA. I can imagine a line of Nyquist - Soderberg- Zetterberg would be fairly productive, and would probably have good chemistry...for some reason... I'd take a trade for Wiz, sign Mike Green and sign Soderberg. That, for me, would be a great off season. Trade away Weiss, Kindl and give Babcock his Andersson back. EIther trade him there or let them sign him as an RFA and get a little compensation...or keep him to compete with Ferraro and Callahan for the 13th/14th spot. Tatar - Datsuk - Pulkkinen Nyquist - Soderberg - Zetterberg Jurco - Sheahan - Helm MIller - Glendening - Abdelkader Ferraro (Andersson or Callahan) Kronwall - Green Ericsson - Wisniewski Quincey - Dekeyser Jensen Mrazek Howard I disagree with the notion that we need a "guy to turn our defense around". It's overly simplistic. Just because a guy isn't going to completely change the complexion of your defense corps, all by himself, is not a reason to avoid acquiring him. There are a handful of guys who are that good. We aren't getting them. But it would be foolish to avoid upgrades entirely, and hedge your bets on drafting the next P.K. Subban, as a result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 Jus sayin, Wiz might come cheap because the Ducks arn't playing him. We all know the points he capable of. 2 LeftWinger and PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Jus sayin, Wiz might come cheap because the Ducks arn't playing him. We all know the points he capable of.If he was so good he'd be playing , especially with his cap hit being so highWe don't need another problem on our cap Edited May 22, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Internet.Unknown 422 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 It would take far less to get Wiz than to get Phanuef, BUT is Wiz the guy to turn our D around? Not saying Phanuef is, but now that Babcock is in TO, he may want to try to get some of "his" players on his new team...ie, Miller, Glenny, Helm, Abby, KFQ, Big E... I would take a trade for Wiz, as long as there is another D signing, like Green, Martin or Franson. I am also ok with seeing if Weiss can produce under Blashill, assuming he is the next coach, but forgot about Soderberg being available via UFA. I can imagine a line of Nyquist - Soderberg- Zetterberg would be fairly productive, and would probably have good chemistry...for some reason... I'd take a trade for Wiz, sign Mike Green and sign Soderberg. That, for me, would be a great off season. Trade away Weiss, Kindl and give Babcock his Andersson back. EIther trade him there or let them sign him as an RFA and get a little compensation...or keep him to compete with Ferraro and Callahan for the 13th/14th spot. Tatar - Datsuk - Pulkkinen Nyquist - Soderberg - Zetterberg Jurco - Sheahan - Helm MIller - Glendening - Abdelkader Ferraro (Andersson or Callahan) Kronwall - Green Ericsson - Wisniewski Quincey - Dekeyser Jensen Mrazek Howard Putting Pulk on the top line when the guy hasn't proven anything in the NHL yet (keyword YET) isn't sound strategy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 I wanna see a team like we had in the mid to late 90's...Scoring goals, and punching faces, and being at the top of the league...I can dream can't I? Forgive my ignorance since I know little about the guy.....But what exactly has 'The Wiz' done since thumbing his nose at Detroit, and signing with the BJ's for big $$$? I haven't heard much about him these past few years...Maybe there's a reason. The only 2 things that stand out is all his time on IR and most recently in the press box watching the Ducks playoff run. 2 GoWings1905 and nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,076 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 Yes, but when Pulk was out there with Dats, he scored. He is a top 6 sniper, that is his role. I'd rather him stick with Dats and become a huge threat than see him rot on the 4th line. I have no doubt Blash will play the kids a bit differently than Babs did. But you're right, you must earn that spot, and if he struggles, then change it up. Heck, Jurco is known for his hands and scoring ability (before he got in the dog house) maybe he could it up there with Dats. He is a bigger body as well... My point is, I don't want to see Abby and Helm in the top 6 when far better offensive players belong there, and that is what makes me so excited for the coaching change, a new approach to players. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted May 22, 2015 Yes, but when Pulk was out there with Dats, he scored. He is a top 6 sniper, that is his role. I'd rather him stick with Dats and become a huge threat than see him rot on the 4th line. I have no doubt Blash will play the kids a bit differently than Babs did. But you're right, you must earn that spot, and if he struggles, then change it up. Heck, Jurco is known for his hands and scoring ability (before he got in the dog house) maybe he could it up there with Dats. He is a bigger body as well... My point is, I don't want to see Abby and Helm in the top 6 when far better offensive players belong there, and that is what makes me so excited for the coaching change, a new approach to players. There wasn't better offensive players. Our top 6 could have been D,Z,Mule, Tatar, Nyquist, Weiss. Then Mule was injured and Weiss was injured/struggled (minus when he first came back). Who else was going to take a spot in the top 6. Jurco flat out underperformed this year. Pulkkinen definitely didn't look like he deserved minutes with Pav. Hopefully they'll both be better next year and they might claim a higher spot. I can almost guarantee that Abby will be with Pav, though. It's been stated many times that it's partly Pav's choice. Abby's 44 pts. in 71gp also shows that he did pretty well with it. Helm played great this past year he'll probably be on the 3rd line depending the Mule situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted May 23, 2015 I wanna see a team like we had in the mid to late 90's...Scoring goals, and punching faces, and being at the top of the league...I can dream can't I? Forgive my ignorance since I know little about the guy.....But what exactly has 'The Wiz' done since thumbing his nose at Detroit, and signing with the BJ's for big $$$? I haven't heard much about him these past few years...Maybe there's a reason. He put up 4 seasons averaging about 50 pts a season If he was so good he'd be playing , especially with his cap hit being so high We don't need another problem on our cap I can pretty much promise u he's better than 4 of our starting D next year. And he'd be a whole lot better than adding David Clarkson or Ryan Clowe. 1 Internet.Unknown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted May 23, 2015 Unrelated as f***, but I have a band on George Street currently rocking out tunes for the Wings. Don't stop believing, living on a prayer, sweet Carolina, the works. Easy to do when the band is Habs fans and hates the Babcock signing he even went silent and let me yell SOUTH DETROIT! Into the mic. Yes, I am hammered. 4 jimmyemeryhunter, derblaueClaus, e_prime and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 23, 2015 (edited) He put up 4 seasons averaging about 50 pts a season I can pretty much promise u he's better than 4 of our starting D next year. And he'd be a whole lot better than adding David Clarkson or Ryan Clowe. I'd say he'd be just as good as clarkson or clowe And better than kronwall? Ya ok Edited May 23, 2015 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Internet.Unknown 422 Report post Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) Yes, but when Pulk was out there with Dats, he scored. He is a top 6 sniper, that is his role. I'd rather him stick with Dats and become a huge threat than see him rot on the 4th line. I have no doubt Blash will play the kids a bit differently than Babs did. But you're right, you must earn that spot, and if he struggles, then change it up. Heck, Jurco is known for his hands and scoring ability (before he got in the dog house) maybe he could it up there with Dats. He is a bigger body as well... My point is, I don't want to see Abby and Helm in the top 6 when far better offensive players belong there, and that is what makes me so excited for the coaching change, a new approach to players. Abby scored 20+ goals this season. In the 90's that would probably be akin to scoring 30. I wouldn't mind seeing him continue in the top 6 if he keeps playing like that. As for Helm? Meh. He's a third liner, IMO. If the Wings can find a legitimate 2C (Weiss, UFA, trade), I could see Helm being expendable. Edited May 24, 2015 by Internet.Unknown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joshy207 156 Report post Posted May 24, 2015 Yes, but when Pulk was out there with Dats, he scored. He is a top 6 sniper, that is his role. I'd rather him stick with Dats and become a huge threat than see him rot on the 4th line. I have no doubt Blash will play the kids a bit differently than Babs did. But you're right, you must earn that spot, and if he struggles, then change it up. Heck, Jurco is known for his hands and scoring ability (before he got in the dog house) maybe he could it up there with Dats. He is a bigger body as well... My point is, I don't want to see Abby and Helm in the top 6 when far better offensive players belong there, and that is what makes me so excited for the coaching change, a new approach to players. This is very true. Blashill knows and trusts these guys, Babcock didn't. That could make a big difference. I also heard speculation that the D made so many mistakes because they were playing afraid. (Afraid of pissing off Babcock by making mistakes.) Now that Babcock is gone, I'm fine with moving out a couple of contracts to clear some space for prospects who are ready, then letting things settle themselves out over the first few months of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
number9 3,297 Report post Posted May 24, 2015 I'd say he'd be just as good as clarkson or clowe And better than kronwall? Ya ok I said he's better than 4 of our starters, not all of them. Read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted May 25, 2015 I said he's better than 4 of our starters, not all of them. Read. Hes so good yet he can't even crack the ducks lineup and has a 5mill cap hit ... I'll pass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted May 25, 2015 I said he's better than 4 of our starters, not all of them. Read. Is that really saying much? Doesn't mean Wiz is anything impressive himself. Your competition is Kyle Quincey, Jonathan Ericsson and Brendan Smith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted May 25, 2015 Hes so good yet he can't even crack the ducks lineup and has a 5mill cap hit ... I'll passThe ducks d core is pretty damn good.The #6 on that team would probably be our 2nd or 3rd best defenseman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted May 25, 2015 A team that's tough to play against, working their butts off each and every shift and doesn't get intimidated by anybody. oh and patience with Blashill if he becomes the next coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted May 25, 2015 Mitch Callahan. Blash loves the Mitch. 3 BadgerBob, Hockeymom1960 and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) The Bertuzzi kid could be fast tracked onto the 4th line.Got a feeling Babs might want Glendening to follow him to the Leafs, which could open up a spot. Edited May 25, 2015 by Andy Pred 48 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Pred 48 337 Report post Posted May 25, 2015 Callahan Ferraro Bertuzzi the next grind line? 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted May 25, 2015 Callahan Ferraro Bertuzzi the next grind line?Ill take Glendenning over Ferraro every day of the week. 3 PavelValerievichDatsyuk, Internet.Unknown and kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
