Baertschi and Zibanejad thrown under the bus publically

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Just did some usual tsn video searches and found out, that Muray has thrown Zibanejad under the bus stating he wasn't impressed with his camp and therefore sent him down. I am very sure this has nothing to do with Melynk being cheap and rather pay 70k instead of 925k for a rookie...

Burke - who isn't even the GM - stated that he isn't thrilled with Baertschi , moaning about his lack of "playing all 3 zones" and compete level...

If this is the way canadian teams are dealing with their prospects it doesn't come as a surprise that some people don't want to play there. I mean, demote the guys and give them the reasons for doing so internally but going public with this crap and destroying their confidence and maybe the relationship is just wrong.

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[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

At least last year the Jets just told Scheifele that they wanted him to go and dominate junior and to get bigger and stronger and play in all situations... Calgary is a joke and the Sens are cheap as all hell though, but that's not a good way to start a kids career.

[Dabura 12,228]

Blame Canada.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

That's the least of Ottawa's problems; they're bleeding money and nobody knows how to apply a tourniquet.

Out west, things will go much smoother in Calgary once Burke becomes GM.

[evilmrt 636]

That's the least of Ottawa's problems; they're bleeding money and nobody knows how to apply a tourniquet.

Out west, things will go much smoother in Calgary once Burke becomes GM.

Yup, he almost is the de facto GM already.

Feaster won't make it past the Olympic break.

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Feaster will have to buy the team to keep his job.

[SensViking 20]

Isn't Ottawa special? There must be something in the water here that causes the city to run itself like the keystone cops and the Senators shooting themselves in the foot every couple of years-see Alfredsson,Healtey. Add in the Melnyk divorce (that had to cost $$$$$), selling his biovail shares at a bad time, and a nasty fight with the city over a soccer/shopping complex/casino-all failed bids. Wow-cue the monkey with the organ.

Now to Zibby- yes it is a numbers game, he has a two way contract.

Yes- his compete level this year has been suspect. He's had a strange transition to the NHL. Fist year he gets a look and is sent back to Sweeden under the agreement that he'd be on the top line and his game and responsibilities expanded. His team Djurgården had a terrible year and none of those things happened. Last year was lockout and he only played 20+ game in Binghampton and was injured. Lockout ends and he's called up because of a TON of injuries.

Where has he's competed and proven himself against healthy competition? Circumstances haven't allowed it

​Fast forward to this year-full competitive camp and he's floating along maybe resting on his laurels. Guys with one way contracts and other issues want it more.

It'll be good for Zibby to go down and define who he is and what he can bring. I think Murray is being honest with him and setting the tone for the other young guys- earn your place. Lord knows the Red Wings don't hand out rosters spots based on draft position!

Seemed to work out ok for Spezza and Karlson both who howled over being demoted but were the better for it.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

I don't know what it is with Ottawa but I am starting to think they are somewhat special. Maybe the better players are getting sick of Melynk being cheap at some time. Murray could have told Zibanejad eveything behind close doors but why do it publically? Looks like he has learned nothing from the Heatley, Alfredson saga.

As for Baertschi his job is to impress the coach, GM and owner at least that would be my guess.

[SensViking 20]

I don't know what it is with Ottawa but I am starting to think they are somewhat special. Maybe the better players are getting sick of Melynk being cheap at some time. Murray could have told Zibanejad eveything behind close doors but why do it publically? Looks like he has learned nothing from the Heatley, Alfredson saga.

As for Baertschi his job is to impress the coach, GM and owner at least that would be my guess.

Believe me we're 'special'. We say special things and have special ideas but there hasn't been one good or new idea in this town in decades. Honestly it is a nice,safe city but cripes you think no one has ever left, seen it done better elsewhere and brought that magic back.

Now I like my Sens and Melnyks internal cap come from his PERSONAL and BUSINESS life bleeding money not the Sens. I personally think he needs a partner or something because the day is going to come when some of our talent are going to be due for raises in the next couple of years and what then?

Why did Murray out Zibby publicly? What else could he do? Say what he did behind closed doors and then say what to the fans? Uhhhm,ahhhh, it was a team decision? I'm not saying it was pretty but it is what it is.

Look at what Kadri has gone through and it seems to have worked ugly as it was.

Ottawa has never had the luxury of letting their fruit get overripe like Detroit and it seems they have a lot to learn from the Wings philosophy- getting MacLean was a brilliant start and if there was one team I'd model the Sens after it would be the Wings.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

This is not a shot at the Senators, I would react the same if Holland called out a prospect via the media, I just don't like that stuff. Yes, they are pros but these guys are also young, so having patience and thinking about the stuff one is saying to the media shouldn't be to much to ask. Murray could have told the media "we had a one on one conversation and I told him how we came to this decision, thats all I am going to tell you" --> same effect but a much friendlier tone and you don't throw your player under the bus.

As for Baertschi I like the kid, he left his home in order to succeed at such a young age and is still learning and improving, give the guy some damn time and cut him some slack, he doesn't have the luxury of having his family friends, around or at least close his homecountry is over 12 hours away. If I were him, the first thing I'd would be making sure to play the best I can and asking for a trade at the first opportunity.

This is not a shot at the Senators, I would react the same if Holland called out a prospect via the media, I just don't like that stuff. Yes, they are pros but these guys are also young, so having patience and thinking about the stuff one is saying to the media shouldn't be to much to ask. Murray could have told the media "we had a one on one conversation and I told him how we came to this decision, thats all I am going to tell you" --> same effect but a much friendlier tone and you don't throw your player under the bus.

As for Baertschi I like the kid, he left his home in order to succeed at such a young age and is still learning and improving, give the guy some damn time and cut him some slack, he doesn't have the luxury of having his family friends, around or at least close his homecountry is over 12 hours away. If I were him, the first thing I'd would be making sure to play the best I can and asking for a trade at the first opportunity.

[SensViking 20]

Great point:

<Quote>This is not a shot at the Senators, I would react the same if Holland called out a prospect via the media, I just don't like that stuff. Yes, they are pros but these guys are also young, so having patience and thinking about the stuff one is saying to the media shouldn't be to much to ask. Murray could have told the media "we had a one on one conversation and I told him how we came to this decision, thats all I am going to tell you" --> same effect but a much friendlier tone and you don't throw your player under the bus.

​Simple as it is I just don't think that would have occurred to the Sens management and as history has shown these gaffes repeat themselves time and again. You have Alfie to prove it.

How they managed to insult such a proud and honest man is beyond me but to get back to the thread it speaks to the Zibby situation and how they treat their players.

[kipwinger 8,671]

Brian Burke makes competitive team out of every organization he gets involved with. If he takes over Calgary they'll begin the process of turning things around.

[Euro_Twins 4,485]

Brian Burke makes competitive team out of every organization he gets involved with. If he takes over Calgary they'll begin the process of turning things around.

Hudler for Conn Smythe!!

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Holland should make a call for Zibanejad. Would be a nice addition to the team.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Holland should make a call for Zibanejad. Would be a nice addition to the team.

I think he should ask Feaster about Baertschi it's clear the new front office hates him.

[Red Wings Addict 787]

Holland should make a call for Zibanejad. Would be a nice addition to the team.

I agree. For this year no way it would be anywhere but Grand Rapids but I agree.

[SensViking 20]

What would you give up in return realistically? Mantha?

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

What would you give up in return realistically? Mantha?

I wouldn't give up mantha unless it was for zibanejad and baertschi, which would NEVER happen.

But I think mantha will be a stud.

Edited October 4, 2013 by jimmyemeryhunter

[SensViking 20]

Ok, Zibby's a first round pick 6th.....and it's not a fire sale and Mantha's a first round pick #20.

What other first round pick do you have to dangle?

We don't want Franzen,Cleary,Sammy,Emmerton,Smith,Bert,Quincey,anyone on the IR.

We do need a first round pick this year so a good prospect and your first?

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Idk I wouldn't give up mantha unless it was a known commodity, I'm reallyhigh on him.

I'd trade tatar before mantha.

Its not like we really have room for him anyway.

[Red Wings Addict 787]

What would you give up in return realistically? Mantha?

What do you think the Sens would want? (Besides Mantha, obviously, since you already said that).

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Sproul and a pick would be my offer. He is our best prospect except Mantha. Would be fair I think if the Sens need defense.

I have no interest whatsoever in Baertschi.

Edited October 4, 2013 by RyanBarnes!

[hooon 1,089]

Yeah I would NEVER cheer for a team who sends down promising young talent....

Oh wait...

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Well the guy I would want is Cowen, big beast physical, young and can fight. Also let's not overrate Mantha guy has yet to play a game in the NHL so until that happens he is just a prospect.

[SensViking 20]

Realistically Cowen's just not on the table but Zibby has had trade talk all over him since last year. Personally I was surprised that Silfverberg got sent the other way in the Ryan deal and not Zibby but who knows. Truthfully I am waiting for another Pavol Demitra to come back and bite us. What we didn't have room for THAT guy?

I guess my my thoughts would be Mantha for Zibby. We don't need another D prospect and you have no other firsts to dangle. Also I don't think a first round pick in this years draft for Zibby is good value because it would be a low 1st rounder- thank you Alfie for that.

So while it might be interesting I just am not seeing Detroit and Ottawa as dance partners.