55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 31, 2013 Exactly. Would you sign Brunner 2 years/2.5 mil per? In a heartbeat, if I had the cap and roster space. 1 T.Low reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 31, 2013 Otherwise the site will be awash in people making up whatever they want about players. Welcome to LGW! Where Fedorov takes nights off, Franzen is lazy and sucks, Howard is "Average", and Brendan Smith should be traded. In a heartbeat, if I had the cap and roster space. Me too. I dont like him at 4, but I like him at 2.5. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted August 1, 2013 Welcome to LGW! Where Fedorov takes nights off, Franzen is lazy and sucks, Howard is "Average", and Brendan Smith should be traded. Me too. I dont like him at 4, but I like him at 2.5. But franzen is lazy and sucks at everything in hockey except scoring 25 goals a year. 1 b.shanafan14 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted August 1, 2013 But franzen is lazy and sucks at everything in hockey except scoring 25 goals a year. And consistently being one of our better +/- players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted August 1, 2013 And consistently being one of our better +/- players. What a horrible stat. What would his +/- be if he was in the panthers? Come on.. you can do better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted August 1, 2013 Tootoo > Cleary > Brunner > Samuelsson. Red Wings without Tootoo would be a miserable sight, gotta at least have some physical presence somewhere. The rest are pretty much done. Despite Cleary's decent playoff performance he simply is not what he used to be anymore. Brunner is not worth the money, he is as one dimensional as they come. I have no diubt Tatar will replace him easily. Sammulsson -no comments necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted August 1, 2013 Brunner to Irish league for a rain coat and pint of Guinness (annually)? almost....KHL. Detroit offered him 3 years for a total of 7 million. his agent said no. Devils didnt want to go above 2,5. now he is sitting at home running out of options. KHL could be a short term solution and I predict he will end up in Zug again before the end of the year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 1, 2013 What a horrible stat. What would his +/- be if he was in the panthers? Come on.. you can do better. I know you weren't asking me this, but how is that different than any other stat if he was on a poor team? His point scoring along with most other stats will go down playing on garbage clubs. It's no more a "horrible stat" than anything other....its relative. 1 dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,485 Report post Posted August 1, 2013 I know you weren't asking me this, but how is that different than any other stat if he was on a poor team? His point scoring along with most other stats will go down playing on garbage clubs. It's no more a "horrible stat" than anything other....its relative. Not entirely. Some players do just fine with bad linemates. Look at dats this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 1, 2013 Not entirely. Some players do just fine with bad linemates. Look at dats this year *Linemates*....Not an entire team. Apples to Oranges. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,485 Report post Posted August 1, 2013 *Linemates*....Not an entire team. Apples to Oranges. Majority of the year our team was pretty bad. One of the worst goals/game in the league. Terrible pp and pk. So my comparison is legit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MabusIncarnate 5,356 Report post Posted August 2, 2013 almost....KHL. Detroit offered him 3 years for a total of 7 million. his agent said no. Devils didnt want to go above 2,5. now he is sitting at home running out of options. KHL could be a short term solution and I predict he will end up in Zug again before the end of the year This is kind of my thinking at this point also. Its tough to evaluate a rookie player from a shortened season looking for a contract asking for that kind of money, it's like buying a race horse after seeing it run half a lap. If he wants to stay in the NHL, take a smaller, short contract, see how it goes, worst case scenario he makes 4 million dollars to bring back home with him for playing two seasons of hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 2, 2013 Majority of the year our team was pretty bad. One of the worst goals/game in the league. Terrible pp and pk. So my comparison is legit The Wings still finished 7th in the conference, yet again made the playoffs and the Panthers were cellar-dwellars with garbage from front to back. The comparison is not legit, IMHO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,485 Report post Posted August 2, 2013 The Wings still finished 7th in the conference, yet again made the playoffs and the Panthers were cellar-dwellars with garbage from front to back. The comparison is not legit, IMHO. At least we can both agree that Weiss should have better stats here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 2, 2013 At least we can both agree that Weiss should have better stats here... EXACTLY (and pretty much my point too)! ....and yes, I agree Weiss stats as a whole should go up. His points scored may or may not suffer due to the talent up and down the lineup compared to FLA, but I agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted August 2, 2013 Brunner is blowing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chances14 229 Report post Posted August 2, 2013 bet brunner now is wishing that he would have accepted the wings offer 4 Rick D, Wingsfan72, sjr2012 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,732 Report post Posted August 3, 2013 Look, you never see so many quality free agents wait this long. The reason for it is not because Brunner's agent screwed up, or he screwed up. It's because the cap decreased, which rarely (or never) has happened since the cap was instituted and thus waiting for teams to straighten out their cap situation is necessary. If the cap had stayed the same (or decreased marginally) Damien Brunner would have signed by now on his terms, though maybe not with the Wings, and we wouldn't be talking. Again, this is a super atypical year for free agents, and drawing conclusions from it is not truly indicative of anything. Last year (and most years before that) Damien Brunner would have made every penny he was asking for based on his stats. Hell, if Ville Leino made what he did then Brunner would surely have cashed in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted August 3, 2013 Look, you never see so many quality free agents wait this long. The reason for it is not because Brunner's agent screwed up, or he screwed up. It's because the cap decreased, which rarely (or never) has happened since the cap was instituted and thus waiting for teams to straighten out their cap situation is necessary. If the cap had stayed the same (or decreased marginally) Damien Brunner would have signed by now on his terms, though maybe not with the Wings, and we wouldn't be talking. Again, this is a super atypical year for free agents, and drawing conclusions from it is not truly indicative of anything. Last year (and most years before that) Damien Brunner would have made every penny he was asking for based on his stats. Hell, if Ville Leino made what he did then Brunner would surely have cashed in. Filppula played like garbage and cashed in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,732 Report post Posted August 3, 2013 Filppula played like garbage and cashed in. Agreed, but Cleary played better and didn't. That's the point I'm trying to make. This year is really scattershot as far as free agency goes because of the new CBA. Any other year all of these guys would have received good money for their production. But this year is different. If you didn't sign early, you were destined to wait until teams could figure out their cap situations. That's all I'm trying to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,485 Report post Posted August 3, 2013 Filppula played like garbage and cashed in. Like t or not, flip is a well established nhl player. The bolts knew what he could provide from years past, and they had to fill a void left by lecavalier when they bought him out 1 Wingsfan72 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted August 3, 2013 Agreed, but Cleary played better and didn't. That's the point I'm trying to make. This year is really scattershot as far as free agency goes because of the new CBA. Any other year all of these guys would have received good money for their production. But this year is different. If you didn't sign early, you were destined to wait until teams could figure out their cap situations. That's all I'm trying to say. Fair enough. But I think a lot of signings were based on bodies of work and not just last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted August 5, 2013 just saw Brunner parking his black Audi TT in front of the hockey stadium in Zug....he didnt look too busy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
evilzyme 769 Report post Posted August 5, 2013 Could be training there? You should know better than many on where he would normally conduct off season training Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spongewingredpants 75 Report post Posted August 5, 2013 Ill ask the coach when i see him...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
