marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 25, 2023 Bergeron officially retires. Gonna be interesting to see how that team does with no top 6 center. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted July 25, 2023 Take their playoff spot and their pick 2 Rick D and The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 1,110 Report post Posted July 25, 2023 Back to the dirty south Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 25, 2023 6 hours ago, marcaractac said: Bergeron officially retires. Gonna be interesting to see how that team does with no top 6 center. This. Boston/Washington/Pittsburgh are all 50/50 when it comes to making, or missing the playoffs...Insert Buffalo/Ottawa/Detroit as their potential replacements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted July 25, 2023 57 minutes ago, F.Michael said: This. Boston/Washington/Pittsburgh are all 50/50 when it comes to making, or missing the playoffs...Insert Buffalo/Ottawa/Detroit as their potential replacements. The old guard is giving way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,838 Report post Posted July 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: The old guard is giving way. How close is Ovie to a 1000 goals now? Things not looking bright for Wash the coming years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted July 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Akakabuto said: How close is Ovie to a 1000 goals now? Things not looking bright for Wash the coming years. Ovie gets his if they stink too. He'll minus it up with the best of em. But I do think a trade could help a team like Carolina or Florida and help Washington with some picks and prospects coming back. Will not be at all surprised if he waives his ntc at the deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 26, 2023 15 hours ago, F.Michael said: This. Boston/Washington/Pittsburgh are all 50/50 when it comes to making, or missing the playoffs...Insert Buffalo/Ottawa/Detroit as their potential replacements. It's wild to me that anyone thinks Boston could be anything better than a wildcard team this season. Yeah, they have two great wingers. Yes, they have good D. Yes they have good goaltending. But 82 games with that center depth and no money to address it? Good luck. I will not be surprised to see a bottom 10 finish. They are one key injury away from the bottom falling out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted July 26, 2023 5 hours ago, marcaractac said: It's wild to me that anyone thinks Boston could be anything better than a wildcard team this season. Yeah, they have two great wingers. Yes, they have good D. Yes they have good goaltending. But 82 games with that center depth and no money to address it? Good luck. I will not be surprised to see a bottom 10 finish. They are one key injury away from the bottom falling out. Someone will step up at C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,732 Report post Posted July 26, 2023 Boston is cooked. They've lost too much already this offseason and their best remaining players are due for regression in the coming years. 2 Rick D and 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,732 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) I promise I'm not trying to be a troll when I say this, but why is Bergeron so highly thought of? It's not like he's Datsyuk, winning Selke trophies while putting up 90 pts. And it's not like he won a bunch of championships or anything. If anything, Boston underperformed as much as exceeded expectations. I get that he's good, and a class act, and tough as nails, and all that. But is he as good as he's hyped up in some circles? Or is he Jonathan Toews without the rings? What am I missing? Edited July 27, 2023 by kipwinger 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 Just a great player and a great guy on and off the ice. https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/where-does-bergeron-fit-among-the-best-players-of-his-generation~2731939 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: I promise I'm not trying to be a troll when I say this, but why is Bergeron so highly thought of? It's not like he's Datsyuk, winning Selke trophies while putting up 90 pts. And it's not like he won a bunch of championships or anything. If anything, Boston underperformed as much as exceeded expectations. I get that he's good, and a class act, and tough as nails, and all that. But is he as good as he's hyped up in some circles? Or is he Jonathan Toews without the rings? What am I missing? He was clutch. Always there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 34 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Just a great player and a great guy on and off the ice. https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/where-does-bergeron-fit-among-the-best-players-of-his-generation~2731939 I cant get this s*** TSN video to load, but I'm with Kip on this one. Berg is a great defensive forward who could score 65 pts and lead a lockeroom. In the scheme of things it' not very impressive. To piggy back on Kip, we had Datysuk who could do the same D crap, if not better, and also score 90 pts and change the game with his creativity. Berg is a slightly betterr Toess. Completely forgetabble in 5 years. Congrats your a nice Darren Helm that could score at an average top6 level. Who cares? You don't get rememberred for being nicce/leader you get remembered for being able to outplay everyone. Leaderhip and pperonality is a bonus. 1 13dangledangle reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 BERGERON ******* SUCKS !!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 Can someone present the article that said Bergeron was better than Datsyuk? I feel like Kip and Colin are self strawmanning themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 2 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: BERGERON ******* SUCKS !!!! Using the N word i a little much in this circumstance 1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Can someone present the article that said Bergeron was better than Datsyuk? I feel like Kip and Colin are self strawmanning themselves. Dats - a man who done changed the game - went out with a flicker. Bergy - a rich mans helm - goes out with pomp and circumstance. The Canadian bias is inherent in the system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,838 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 Kopitar>Bergeron 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,732 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 10 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Can someone present the article that said Bergeron was better than Datsyuk? I feel like Kip and Colin are self strawmanning themselves. I wasn't trying to suggest there was some great "Datsyuk vs. Bergeron" debate amongst NHL fans or anything like that. I was just saying that Datsyuk's defensive prowess was noteworthy because he was also an elite offensive performer. Bergeron is not elite offensively, so he just always seemed like a better than average shutdown center. Like Jordan Staal with a little more offense. But in some NHL circles he's talked about like he's a superstar, which I don't get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 10 hours ago, bIueadams said: Using the N word i a little much in this circumstance Dats - a man who done changed the game - went out with a flicker. Bergy - a rich mans helm - goes out with pomp and circumstance. The Canadian bias is inherent in the system. Cuz he bailed on the final year of his contract like a lil bit-ch. Bergeron is alpha. A real man. A true leader. A lover of all people and all genders. A real hero. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: I wasn't trying to suggest there was some great "Datsyuk vs. Bergeron" debate amongst NHL fans or anything like that. I was just saying that Datsyuk's defensive prowess was noteworthy because he was also an elite offensive performer. Bergeron is not elite offensively, so he just always seemed like a better than average shutdown center. Like Jordan Staal with a little more offense. But in some NHL circles he's talked about like he's a superstar, which I don't get. Taken from this 2 day old article https://www.nhl.com/news/boston-bruins-patrice-bergeron-career-in-numbers/c-345438966 Quote Since entering the NHL in 2003-04, he ranks ninth in points (1,040 in 1,294 games played), is tied with John Tavares for 11th in goals (427) and ranks 12th in assists (613). He is also eighth in even-strength points (666), tied with Evgeni Malkin for sixth in game-winning goals (81) and ranks third in shots on goal (3,974). In addition to his offensive production, Bergeron has the best face-off percentage among all NHL players during that span (57.9 percent; minimum 11,000 draws), ranks eighth in takeaways (811) and is sixth among all forwards in blocked shots (847). Not bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,732 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Taken from this 2 day old article https://www.nhl.com/news/boston-bruins-patrice-bergeron-career-in-numbers/c-345438966 Not bad. I definitely don't think he's a bad player. I just don't think he's a superstar either. I'm perfectly happy to talk about him in the same way I'd talk about Toews or Kopitar, but it just feels like he gets more love than that. Maybe I'm overblowing it though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, kipwinger said: I definitely don't think he's a bad player. I just don't think he's a superstar either. I'm perfectly happy to talk about him in the same way I'd talk about Toews or Kopitar, but it just feels like he gets more love than that. Maybe I'm overblowing it though. I don't think you're going outta your way in under-valuing him (I feel your assessment is pretty fair)...I'd say Bergeron is revered for what kind of stand-up guy he is on and off ice...Not a single bad thing has been uttered, or published about him...The adulation tends to magnify his stats and accomplishments on ice, but for once I don't mind him getting the attention. Edited July 27, 2023 by F.Michael 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 3 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Cuz he bailed on the final year of his contract like a lil bit-ch. Bergeron is alpha. A real man. A true leader. A lover of all people and all genders. A real hero. A real human bean Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,838 Report post Posted July 27, 2023 2 hours ago, bIueadams said: A real human bean Generational personality Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
