king_malice 17 Report post Posted February 10, 2011 With the Wings only scoring 4 goals in the last 4 games, is it time to give the other Filppula a chance. Guys like Emmerton,Tatar,Murisak all coming up and getting a chance. I don't see any problem with giving him a shot what do we have to lose at this point. He's had 49 games to get a feel for the North American style game and has 18G and 21A also has 7PPG, I haven't had to many chances to see him play but what i have seen i like, what are you guys thoughts ? Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Filppula-Bertuzzi Cleary-Hudler-Filppula Eaves-Abdelkader-Helm Also Holland has said multiple times that Brendan Smith is ready to play in the NHL now and with Kindl struggling big time he is another guy i would like to see get a shot right now. Rafalski-Kronwall Lidstrom-Ericcson Salei-Smith Smith 8G 14A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zata fan 40 6 Report post Posted February 10, 2011 If an injury call up is needed I'd like to see him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Well... you can only assume that his absence on the big club during the injury stretch means that he isn't tearing it up in GR. I have no data to back that, but that's my initial reaction. Be cool to see him get a shot though. I'd love to see Smith too but I don't know about bringing him up at the moment. Seems too soon still. I'd rather see him play when the team is a little more stable. Edited February 10, 2011 by Broken 16 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate94gt 134 Report post Posted February 10, 2011 ive seen 4 griffs games this year. he hasnt stood out to me at all. granted, 2 of the 4 times i was on the glass in the corner, so its tough to get a perspective on how they are playing the position, and it also doesnt help that theres no instant replay, per say. They've also lost every game, so that also doesnt help that said, who is he gonna come up for and who are we going to sit out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted February 10, 2011 The only reason i say Smith is because Kindl isnt playing so good right now anyway and i wouldn't mind sitting Draper,Miller or Eaves for a game or 2...I'm pretty sure Filppula is leading the Griffs in PTS and was the only All-Star if im not mistaken 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted February 10, 2011 we still have roster space for a call up with stuart out why not give um both a game. call up illari and give zetterberg a rest for a game or 2. and then bring up smith for a game or 2 for kindl he has been lebda like lately or worse 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted February 10, 2011 It depends on whom you talk to about him. Those who like to watch GR for mostly the guys with grit will tell you that they're not impressed with him. They'll say his skating isn't good and that he's pretty weak physically. They'll talk about how his effort and work ethic is inconsistent. Lastly, they'll label him as a career AHLer. Those who like to watch with pure excitement for only the prospects and not so much GR will tell you that his skill level is better than Valtteri's. They will say his skating is average but point out that he plays in all situations and currently scores at similar pace to former Griffin Ville Leino's 08-09 season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted February 10, 2011 I wouldn't say Z but defintly Eaves,Miller or Draper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted February 10, 2011 A lot of Kindl's mishaps can be attributed to being a novice in a pro league. Everyone has rookie mistakes and they learn from them. If Holland brings up Smith to replace Kindl, I don't think we're going to see much better hockey. Even if Smith has more athleticism than Kindl, right now he has less pro hockey experience, and that's just as crucial. As far as bringing up I Flip, if it even happens, he's going to be playing bottom line minutes like Tatar and Mursak did, not getting second line minutes and again its because of lack of pro experience. You don't want a novice out there against top six opponents for 15 minutes/night. Even if they have a great skill set, they're still ignorant to the pace and tendencies of the NHL. 1 Pucks reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 A lot of Kindl's mishaps can be attributed to being a novice in a pro league. Everyone has rookie mistakes and they learn from them. If Holland brings up Smith to replace Kindl, I don't think we're going to see much better hockey. Even if Smith has more athleticism than Kindl, right now he has less pro hockey experience, and that's just as crucial. As far as bringing up I Flip, if it even happens, he's going to be playing bottom line minutes like Tatar and Mursak did, not getting second line minutes and again its because of lack of pro experience. You don't want a novice out there against top six opponents for 15 minutes/night. Even if they have a great skill set, they're still ignorant to the pace and tendencies of the NHL. I agree totally im just saying Kindl is playing poor because he is a rookie but I think Smith should get a shot to gain some pro experience even if he doesn't do much better then Kindl. id be happy with these lines for a couple games Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Franzen-Filppula-Bertuzzi Cleary-Hudler-Filppula Eaves-Abdlekader-Helm Rafalski-Kronwall Lidstrom-Ericcson Salei-Smith 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 It depends on whom you talk to about him. Those who like to watch GR for mostly the guys with grit will tell you that they're not impressed with him. They'll say his skating isn't good and that he's pretty weak physically. They'll talk about how his effort and work ethic is inconsistent. Lastly, they'll label him as a career AHLer. Those who like to watch with pure excitement for only the prospects and not so much GR will tell you that his skill level is better than Valtteri's. They will say his skating is average but point out that he plays in all situations and currently scores at similar pace to former Griffin Ville Leino's 08-09 season. Ilari Filppula IS a career minor leaguer. He's 29 years old and is currently a top-line player scoring well below a point-per-game pace in the AHL. By comparison, Hudler scored 49 points in 57 games for the Griffins at the age of 19, in addition to scoring 3 in 12 for the Wings that year. Maybe Ilari will make the NHL in a few seasons. Oops, players tend to decline after the age of 30. Oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) It depends on whom you talk to about him. Those who like to watch GR for mostly the guys with grit will tell you that they're not impressed with him. They'll say his skating isn't good and that he's pretty weak physically. They'll talk about how his effort and work ethic is inconsistent. Lastly, they'll label him as a career AHLer. Those who like to watch with pure excitement for only the prospects and not so much GR will tell you that his skill level is better than Valtteri's. They will say his skating is average but point out that he plays in all situations and currently scores at similar pace to former Griffin Ville Leino's 08-09 season. I dont know who you realy talk to about him that says he is impressive? Myself, Drake and UK are pretty much the only ones who watch and quite frankly he isn't impressive. Tatar, Emmerton and Mursak all have games better suited for the show. His skill level isn't what I would really call better then Flips. They are similar, they both have good hands but Ilari doesn't have wheels or that great of defensive play. Seriously if people would watch a game instead of looking at score sheets they would see why these other guys all got the call before him. He is hardly outscoring guys like Mursak and Tatar who are about 8 years younger EDIT: Im sure others watch the griffs but I mean UK doesnt miss a game hardly, I catch most as well. I'm sure there are people who actually go to games and stuff Edited February 11, 2011 by newfy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,802 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 I've never seen him play, so I'm going to go out on the limb and say he's another soft euro. In this world, it's not who you are but who you know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) The only reason i say Smith is because Kindl isnt playing so good right now anyway and i wouldn't mind sitting Draper,Miller or Eaves for a game or 2...I'm pretty sure Filppula is leading the Griffs in PTS and was the only All-Star if im not mistaken I totally get what you are saying and for the most part I agree. It's just the timing. I just don't think it's a good idea to bring in a high-end prospect while the team is in disarray. I'd much rather him walk in to a winning environment. Unless he is truly capable of stepping in and having a positive impact immediately, why burden him with it? Much better to be getting ice time in GR imo. Having said that, once the team is back on track, I'd love to see him swap time with Kindl. Edited February 11, 2011 by Broken 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king_malice 17 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 on a side note is it just me or has Ericcson gotten softer this season ? its just everytime i see the guy play he's skating off checks and it drives me INSANE! for his size he should be hammering guys 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 It depends on whom you talk to about him. Those who like to watch GR for mostly the guys with grit will tell you that they're not impressed with him. They'll say his skating isn't good and that he's pretty weak physically. They'll talk about how his effort and work ethic is inconsistent. Lastly, they'll label him as a career AHLer. Those who like to watch with pure excitement for only the prospects and not so much GR will tell you that his skill level is better than Valtteri's. They will say his skating is average but point out that he plays in all situations and currently scores at similar pace to former Griffin Ville Leino's 08-09 season. That was subtle (or pathetic, take your pick) Please, you expert of all things hockey. Tell us more about Ilari. I don't know much obviously, because when there's no fighter on the ice my eyes glaze over and I ignore everything that transpires until a goon starts roaming around. Anyway regardless of what the Grand Rapids nonGuru says, Ilari is an average skater. He's not bad, but he's not good either. Just an average AHL skater. He scores most of his goals on the powerplay (not always a bad thing) and has a good work ethic at both ends of the ice. Plays a suprisingly physical game. Got a good wrister on him, but doesn't use it enough. If there needed to be a call up and Mursak and Tatar were unavailable or already called up, there are other players who would be more deserving of the call. But if he was called up and could adjust to the speed of the NHL he would be fine. Thats a big if though. 1 crotty99 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 It depends on whom you talk to about him. Funny you mention that, because what was your response when I asked why more people don't watch the Griffins? Why not? Because they suck and it's a pain to watch Fraser force Johnson and Minard down our throats. I can see with that attitude you must be the main person to talk to about Grand Rapids. You don't watch them, you rag on them and you make false claims about players and their ice time. Johnson and Minard play on the 2nd and 3rd lines and get little to no PP time. But you know, forced down out throats, yeah? Please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Going to Grand Rapids in a few weeks for business. Be there for about two weeks. Can't wait to go see the Griffins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Wow... Sensitive. Angry much? I guess that's why the mods gave you a time out. Dude... Relax. I was honestly just passing on information and meant nothing insulting by it. You can ask newfy and I'm fairly sure he'll tell you that I'm not anti-enforcer or anything like that. You ran quite well with all that didn't ya? Yeah, I don't watch the Griffins as much as I used to. I'm not an expert. In order to get a fair idea on the Griffins, I have to rely on acquaintances who still live in the GR area. That's why I said, "It depends on whom you ask." And if you don't like the way I categorized my buddies/sources of information then... I don't care. They wouldn't take offense to that and neither would some people here on LGW because they're secure with themselves. But if you want I can call them up to prescribe some ACE Inhibitors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Wow... Sensitive. Angry much? I guess that's why the mods gave you a time out. What part of is angry to you? I like the way you ignored pretty much everything I posted. Pretty much what I expected. Feel free to come back when you have something interesting/relevant to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Hahaha. Dude... What the hell do you even want from me, man? I mean... What should I do? Should I remind you that I’ve done this before? Should I tell you how much fun we had? Should I have my tattoo removed? Wanna see my shiny new shoes? Should I see shoes? Should I tell you I’m a championship chaser, I did it for the money, rings? Should I stop listening to my friends? They're my friends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 This thread took a weird turn... I think if there is another call-up this season, it should be Ilari and to be honest, I thought he should have been called up before Tatar in the first place... I was trying to find online his waiver eligibility, but was unable to - He's exempt for this season, but next year he isn't, regardless of games played, due to his age, correct? Anyone have any additional input on this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Iflip is a huge part of this teams future. He should be called up before anyone else. 2 titanium2 and Finnish Wing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Iflip is a huge part of this teams future. He should be called up before anyone else. Yeah the 30 year old that is barely even outscoring 20 year old and isnt over a ppg in the AHL is critical to this teams future. I really hope whoever liked your post liked it because they were laughing so hard that you actually thought that 1 Shaman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
