datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 haven't posted in ages, but thought I'd add some #s for discussion: thru March 5th, we've given up 3 or more goals in 39 out of 66 games, or roughly 60% of the time, so there's a 3 in 5 chance we'll give up 3 or more goals each time we take the ice, also: record in games of 3 or more GA: 13-19-7 record in games of 2 or fewer GA: 26-0-1 A stark contrast to say the least Can't say if McCrimmon is to blame, and I doubt he's the only problem, but he sure doesn't seem to be part of the solution, the players need a shock to their system and replacing McCrimmon may help do that, though who know if and/or when that will happen 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 Not that I especially like McCrimmon, but what's the explanation for the 2009 playoffs? I think the blame needs to mostly be on the guys getting paid to play attempt defense. Even though Lidstrom and Stuart are the only two that have any damn clue in their own zone, maybe we need to split them up and see if Stu can get Kronwall going and likewise for Rafalski with Nick. I find it hard to believe the same group of players from a stellar defense just years ago, minus the third pairing, suddenly became lost because of a coach. It's a lack of focus and willingness to do the things that made them elite in their own zone while also leading them to a championship. If they want to get back to it as a team, there's plenty of time to do so. If not, we'll have plenty of time to discuss who's at fault this summer. Explanation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shady Ultima 40 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 Not that I especially like McCrimmon, but what's the explanation for the 2009 playoffs? Uh... Pretty sure McClean switched back to Defense for the 2009 playoffs. Which would kinda show why our defense tightened up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S_Whitney 1 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 I remember in our 2008 stanley cup season, we completely dominate the other teams in the SOGs department largely because we had one of the best offense and very tight defense so that the other team doesn't even have a chance to shoot. This year, our offense is one of the best in the league, but our D is playing so loosely that most of the time we are either trading shots or even getting outshot. I know our captain, rafalski and other D mens are older now, but I just never expected such a different defense from basically the same core. This, I am sure, has something to do with the coaching. If you just look at goal differential, we are lucky to be ahead of chicago in standing and not in the position where Calgary was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 No mention of him when the Club is winning; odd or typical? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Sample 31 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 Babcock is the head coach and he gets the final say. Is anyone throwing Babs under the bus? Playing with no heart is a team problem not a defense problem. Playing with no heart makes for a bad power play, defense,etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 I will say though, a coach can get the players ready as much as possible. At the end of the day though it's the players that need to perform on the ice, coach can't be on the ice as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 The players ought to pretend its the 2008 Playoffs again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 The players ought to pretend its the 2008 Playoffs again. But we had a grinder like Dallas Drake that won the Cup for us!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted March 8, 2011 I didn't realize our offense and PP was THAT bad. Our defense is bad, but not our offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick D 382 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 All this time i thought our defense was bad because Chelios retired. I didn't know it had anything to do with this new coach guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 when the "detroit red wings" play bad defense, the name refers to everyone including all dmen, coaches and forwards. I'm not saying that just our dmen have played poor d, hard backchecking and work by the forwards contributes and can make life for a d man more easy. The coaches also are part of the team and are responsible for educating the players etc. Its everyone's fault. Id still love if hitch came in for mccrimmon. just saying.... remember when he showed up for a bit before the season started? i got my hopes up then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 Uh... Pretty sure McClean switched back to Defense for the 2009 playoffs. Which would kinda show why our defense tightened up. Even if true, do you really feel that change alone suddenly inspired the Red Wings to play defense again? I highly doubt it. All we've heard for the better part of three regular seasons now is how the Red Wings need to play smarter and harder in their own zone. There's too much talent on this blueline to be blaming a coach entirely when a little focus from the guys actually playing the game would eliminate this discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 8, 2011 Even if true, do you really feel that change alone suddenly inspired the Red Wings to play defense again? I highly doubt it. All we've heard for the better part of three regular seasons now is how the Red Wings need to play smarter and harder in their own zone. There's too much talent on this blueline to be blaming a coach entirely when a little focus from the guys actually playing the game would eliminate this discussion. Where has that focus gone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 McCrimmon stepped in to a team that just won the Cup and was among the best defensive teams in hockey. Since taking a spot on the coaching staff the team's defensive play has dropped considerably. We can't just fire a guy based on his job performance! Wait... that's exactly what the Wings should do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 McCrimmon stepped in to a team that just won the Cup and was among the best defensive teams in hockey. Since taking a spot on the coaching staff the team's defensive play has dropped considerably. We can't just fire a guy based on his job performance! Wait... that's exactly what the Wings should do. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Well now I know to yell "damn you McCrimmon" next time E doesn't clear the front of the net or Rafalski passes to the opponent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Well now I know to yell "damn you McCrimmon" next time E doesn't clear the front of the net or Rafalski passes to the opponent. The argument is not that McCrimmon is responsible for turnovers; however bad schemes do cause some. The argument is that he does not run the defense properly, and therefore the defense, with skilled defensive players, does not function as it should. With the Salei/Ericsson pairing, you should be able to swap in Kindl without having to completely rewrite how the game will be handled. It seems like McCrimmon is handling each pairing and each game as separate situations, rather than having a defensive scheme which applies to the entire defense and is implemented and evolved as the season progresses. McCrimmon was an excellent shut-down defender. One of the best in the league. But he is simply not cutting it as a coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Well now I know to yell "damn you McCrimmon" next time E doesn't clear the front of the net or Rafalski passes to the opponent. I mentioned this earlier but I guess I should repeat it. You're correct to a degree with the point that you are trying to make, specifically in that none of us as forum-goers can say with 100% certainty that McCrimmon is the source of the defensive problems the Wings have been plagued with for the past couple years. However, during his tenure as defensive coach, he has done absolutely nothing to fix these problems. As a fan of a prestigious team with a history of winning, I admit I've become a bit spoiled and expect the best product that the Wings can give, but I think I'm correct in my entitlement because of the Wings' recent history of consistently being the best, and working as a well oiled machine. I know they're capable of delivering. Consequently, I expect the Red Wings to employ a defensive coach who can make a difference on the ice, and come up with innovative and effective solutions to the problems that keep coming back to haunt us. As far as the on-ice product, McCrimmon has done about as much as I'm capable of doing (and I'll work for half the salary), and that is unacceptable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 Knew this one would pop back up tonight 1 Hossa4Life reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I think Rivalred brought it up a couple of pages back..... where are the "Fire McCrimmon" shirts/signs at? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I hate to blame the coach, but I really think Mccrimmon has over stayed his welcome. Fire his ass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsExpert1988 8 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah I def agree guys. I think the guy should be replaced now. Maybe it will change the mindset of the players heading into the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah I def agree guys. I think the guy should be replaced now. Maybe it will change the mindset of the players heading into the playoffs. It would really wake 'em up if Babcock started sitting whoever hasn't performed, regardless of their big salary, cough Mule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
