Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 So when is it going to go our way? These last three games have been really disheartening, especially because for the first time this year it seems to me that the Wings are actually back to playing their style. What do they have to show for it? 2 points out of a possible 6, and still a point behind LA with the Kings having a game in hand. Our fortunes will turn soon.....The next 5 games are against Western teams in the playoff race - I know its early, but don't you think the Wings HAVE to get 7 or 8 pts in these next 5 to stay in the race? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 If they didn't collapse in the final stretch they would have won at least 5 more games. Absolutely ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdavis 28 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 The team s***s the bed in the 3rd... Are they too tired or something to play 60 minutes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 I wouldnt call it bitter for the first two. They were shootouts. Dallas maybe just because the call was pretty bad. This game was bitter though because the team played solid except for the standard Osgood stat line: 20 shots against atleast 3-4 goals. Theodore stops 40 or 42 or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 I wouldnt call it bitter for the first two. They were shootouts. Dallas maybe just because the call was pretty bad. This game was bitter though because the team played solid except for the standard Osgood stat line: 20 shots against atleast 3-4 goals. Theodore stops 40 or 42 or so. I can't get on Ozzie for the 3rd goal, but that 2nd Backstrom goal - while Stuart got owned - seemed to go right through him. The difference with Howard and Osgood right now seems to be that Howard is making that big save when the team needs it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) They do and it won't be easy. Tonight we blew it. Bad penalty and then a lucky goal by the Caps. One thing I have to say though is that Ozzie didn't play bad tonight but come on Ozzie you have to bail us out sometimes. That is what Howard does, he bails out the team and the team bails him out. Ozzie just can't catch a break like that. Backstrom had a nice shot but honestly I think Howie would have had it. People talk about Howards rebound control when Ozzies is just as bad. Tonight was a team loss I guess and our next 5 won't be so easy it would be nice to get 6 of 10 that is what I think is realistic. We aren't the only team sinking right now. The flames have dropped and are 3 points up on us now. LA is right above us. We just gotta catch a break sooner or later. Kronner on the ice was something positive from tonight. Edited January 20, 2010 by zettie85 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 Something's gotta give b/c if it doesn't we're all gonna have coronaries if this keeps up I think if we get Kronwall back soon he will make a big difference once he gets up to speed, he improves the D by a good margin, esp. with the way he was playing this year before f*ck head Laraque decided to knee him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 I know a lot of you don't understand this, but a team deserves what they get based on the way they play. The Wings sat on their asses the last two periods against Dallas, couldn't capitalize on a million chances late in the 3rd and in OT against Chicago, and couldn't score many goals tonight against a team that they owned, including many PP chances. It's not bad luck, it's bad hockey. Not to mention the bird-brained plays by guys like Bertuzzi, Lebda, Stuart and Leino over that stretch. They have themselves to blame. If they miss the playoffs, I'll be pissed, but I'm not going to blame it on injuries. Instead I'll blame it on all the nights they looked inconsistent or took parts of the game off. Also the star players have left a lot to be desired this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdavis 28 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 Another thing that is contributing to the losses is that the team never finishes breakaways. I can't remember the last time someone scored on a breakaway... Also, no one is scoring on great scoring chances. This team needs to finish, it's really starting to get frustrating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 I know a lot of you don't understand this, but a team deserves what they get based on the way they play. The Wings sat on their asses the last two periods against Dallas, couldn't capitalize on a million chances late in the 3rd and in OT against Chicago, and couldn't score many goals tonight against a team that they owned, including many PP chances. It's not bad luck, it's bad hockey. Not to mention the bird-brained plays by guys like Bertuzzi, Lebda, Stuart and Leino over that stretch. They have themselves to blame. If they miss the playoffs, I'll be pissed, but I'm not going to blame it on injuries. Instead I'll blame it on all the nights they looked inconsistent or took parts of the game off. Also the star players have left a lot to be desired this season. Gotta agree with you there, the Wings certainly have not had that killer instinct needed to put games away, we should have scored about 5 goals tonight with the number and quality of chances we had, but we can't finish our chances We just seem to be finding ways to lose right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 Osgood cost us this game. I hate saying that because I've never been an Ozzie basher and I always had faith in him, but those first two goals should have been routine. Forty some shots and two goals? Our offense, while they are technically shooting and had some fantastic chances, needs to work on their timing. Passing through four opposing players may work once in a while but it's nothing to add to the playbook. Such a good game...and we still get the shaft. I was so confident they would finally get the points tonight...but now they have to win the next two games (one of which against LA which never seems to lose when we need them to) to have any chance at all really to avoid a last minute race for last place at the end of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 I know a lot of you don't understand this, but a team deserves what they get based on the way they play. The Wings sat on their asses the last two periods against Dallas, couldn't capitalize on a million chances late in the 3rd and in OT against Chicago, and couldn't score many goals tonight against a team that they owned, including many PP chances. It's not bad luck, it's bad hockey. Not to mention the bird-brained plays by guys like Bertuzzi, Lebda, Stuart and Leino over that stretch. They have themselves to blame. If they miss the playoffs, I'll be pissed, but I'm not going to blame it on injuries. Instead I'll blame it on all the nights they looked inconsistent or took parts of the game off. Also the star players have left a lot to be desired this season. You are totally right but tonight they did put in a good effort. Lucky game winner by the Cap's. PP was the only thing that was terrible tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerfan1999 81 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 Another thing that is contributing to the losses is that the team never finishes breakaways. I can't remember the last time someone scored on a breakaway... Also, no one is scoring on great scoring chances. This team needs to finish, it's really starting to get frustrating. Your right about this. So many breakaways - NO finish. That OT vs. the 'Hawks had Zetter miss a clear break and Dats missed on a partial one, and then Bertuzzi tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 Another thing that is contributing to the losses is that the team never finishes breakaways. I can't remember the last time someone scored on a breakaway... Also, no one is scoring on great scoring chances. This team needs to finish, it's really starting to get frustrating. Agreed. We're creating tons of chances, but we're making everyone from Auld to Theodore look like Vezina goalies. Steve Mason is struggling this season? Nothing like a game against the Wings to make him look amazing again. Caps had like 2 and a half quality chances and they scored 3 goals. Wings had 10+ quality chances and scored 2 goals. That was the difference tonight, and it was something similar against the Hawks. Zetterberg needs to find his groove, he gets so many chances but rarely puts them away. Datsyuk isn't primarily a goalscorer but hell he's had 30+ goals the last couple of seasons, he can score more than he's currently doing. Franzen, where are you!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaCkaveli20 275 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 Can we trade for Kovalchuk yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 Can we trade for Kovalchuk yet? Yes Atlanta called me up just now, they say they were so impressed by Leino that they'll take him straight up for Kovalchuk. Sadly, they also said that you need to stop posting permanently for this trade to be approved. Hope you don't have a problem with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 im not going to watch the next few games. too disappointing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 they should had won 3 games in a row, and yet they lost all 3. Crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 I know a lot of you don't understand this, but a team deserves what they get based on the way they play. The Wings sat on their asses the last two periods against Dallas, couldn't capitalize on a million chances late in the 3rd and in OT against Chicago, and couldn't score many goals tonight against a team that they owned, including many PP chances. It's not bad luck, it's bad hockey. Not to mention the bird-brained plays by guys like Bertuzzi, Lebda, Stuart and Leino over that stretch. They have themselves to blame. If they miss the playoffs, I'll be pissed, but I'm not going to blame it on injuries. Instead I'll blame it on all the nights they looked inconsistent or took parts of the game off. Also the star players have left a lot to be desired this season. I've been watching you take heat for this point of view, but you are obviously a guy who sees when the emperor is naked (or empress - take your pick). Serious question. What about coaching? Seems the coaching staff is made of teflon this year. How could the lack of performance and heart witnessed so often NOT be in some part due to coaching? I'm a buck stops at the top kind of guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SDavis35 140 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 They do and it won't be easy. Tonight we blew it. Bad penalty and then a lucky goal by the Caps. One thing I have to say though is that Ozzie didn't play bad tonight but come on Ozzie you have to bail us out sometimes. That is what Howard does, he bails out the team and the team bails him out. Ozzie just can't catch a break like that. Backstrom had a nice shot but honestly I think Howie would have had it. People talk about Howards rebound control when Ozzies is just as bad. Tonight was a team loss I guess and our next 5 won't be so easy it would be nice to get 6 of 10 that is what I think is realistic. We aren't the only team sinking right now. The flames have dropped and are 3 points up on us now. LA is right above us. We just gotta catch a break sooner or later. Kronner on the ice was something positive from tonight. When I looked at the last ten games of January I expected to go 7-3; the team has found a way to scrounge for the two points i was expecting this weekend + tonight; now let's just see them win the next 6 in a row and I'll be happy ; but 5 wins is still reasonable expectations too. If pittsburgh continues their slump... 6 for 6 may not be as far fetched as it sounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 I've been watching you take heat for this point of view, but you are obviously a guy who sees when the emperor is naked (or empress - take your pick). Serious question. What about coaching? Seems the coaching staff is made of teflon this year. How could the lack of performance and heart witnessed so often NOT be in some part due to coaching? I'm a buck stops at the top kind of guy. I don't think they've had a lack of heart that often.. we've had a couple of complete failures like against the Islanders, but usually the team is working hard. Remember we've been playing with waiver-pickups and AHL-callups as 2nd liners this season. The games against Chicago and Washington weren't lost because a lack of heart, it was not converting on chances and a couple of individual mistakes.. coaching is not to be blamed, no one can turn s*** into gold or Drew Miller into Johan Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 I've been watching you take heat for this point of view, but you are obviously a guy who sees when the emperor is naked (or empress - take your pick). Serious question. What about coaching? Seems the coaching staff is made of teflon this year. How could the lack of performance and heart witnessed so often NOT be in some part due to coaching? I'm a buck stops at the top kind of guy. I'll blame the coaching too. What the hell, right. Babcock is a guy that seems scary and tough, but this team doesn't seem to respond to him well anymore. Like I said earlier, they don't always put forth 60 minute efforts, which is why they're in this position right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 I've been watching you take heat for this point of view, but you are obviously a guy who sees when the emperor is naked (or empress - take your pick). Serious question. What about coaching? Seems the coaching staff is made of teflon this year. How could the lack of performance and heart witnessed so often NOT be in some part due to coaching? I'm a buck stops at the top kind of guy. If anything the coaching has minor problems that are the least of our worries. WCF and 2 SCF appearances is nothing to shake a stick at. We are injured this year and we lost a lot of goal scoring. I don't think that blame can fall on anything but the cap itself. When we have our full team back we will go from there. This season really is one to forget. We were told it was a re-tooling year and that's what I will take it as. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phazon 24 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 holmstrom, kronwall and franzen are 3 pretty good players that should make the team better once back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 Okay then, given all the injuries why not blame the trainers! What the heck are those guys doing to our players? :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
