kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 It was a clean hit. How can you say there was "intent to injure?" I've played enough games and injured enough guys with their heads down. Cleanly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 These are grown men playing a tough game. Yes you need to stick up for your teammates, but there was a time when it was just acknowledged to be a hard hit and move on. Dougie Brown wasn't going to do anything there. They had to move on. If that was 19 and 24 was on the ice there would be no moving on. Kozzie wasn't blindsided by a guy coming out of the box, nor was he in a particularly prone position. He was trying to split the D, one of whom wouldn't allow it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 I've played enough games and injured enough guys with their heads down. Cleanly. Congratulations? Unless your a mind reader, you can not say there was any intent to injure on Mitchell's part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 I just did. As Mr. Snepts so astutely pointed out, these are grown men playing a tough game. They are also professionals. Maybe they know what they're doing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 I just did. As Mr. Snepts so astutely pointed out, these are grown men playing a tough game. They are also professionals. Maybe they know what they're doing? So your suggesting Mitchell's intent with his hit on Toews was to injure him? Based on what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Based on him coming out of the box and making a blindside run on a player who clearly doesn't see him coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Based on him coming out of the box and making a blindside run on a player who clearly doesn't see him coming. Why is there a Chicago Blackhawk fan on a Red Wings message forum trying villainize a clean hit? Edited October 23, 2009 by Snazzy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 For once, I have to agree with GMR. What good are your enforcers if they don't protect your top players? Even if they have to take an instigator I think it is worth it to immediately go after Mitchell. Waiting is fine and dandy when your average joes take a few lumps here and there, but when your captain (who isn't the biggest toughest guy in the world) gets blindsided (albeit cleanly) with the intent of concussing him into next year then that person should be met with the same intent to injure he delivered on Toews. And don't tell me he didn't want to injure him, we have all been there. Mitchell saw a blindside head down opportunity and proceeded to hit him as hard he could. It was a legal hit with an intent to injure, and you can't stand idly by when that happens to your important players. Do you even realize that the "H" in NHL stands for Hockey? It's a full contact sport. Toews didn't get clotheslined and he didn't take a hockey stick across the face, head or upper body. There was no knee on knee and no elbows were flying. Intent to injure? Are you insane? There may have been an intent to knock him on his ass, but this is hockey. As for going after Mitchell, for what you admit is a clean hit, you are way out to lunch. That's the kind of crap they need to get rid of. A scrap in retaliation for a cheap shot, such as an elbow or spear, is one thing, but to start a fight with a guy just for playing hockey is just plain ridonculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Based on him coming out of the box and making a blindside run on a player who clearly doesn't see him coming. How dare Mitchell not let Toews know when a penalty is up it's not like that is a significant part of a hockey game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 In no way am I saying he did anything illegal. I encourage our players to deliver as many hits like that as possible. I am arguing that his teammates should do something about it then and there. If that were Henk I sure wouldn't want our guys to stick their thumbs up their asses and watch the replay on the big board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Based on him coming out of the box and making a blindside run on a player who clearly doesn't see him coming. Toews gets caught skating with his head down...Willie comes out of the box....Willie runs over Toews while Toews has his head down...Willie's fault? I'll bet Toews learned a valuable lesson on this one. You, however, aren't even making sense with these posts. Should Mitchell have just let him skate by, give him the chance to score one because he's a nice guy? They play to win, it's what they get paid for. Clean hit, plain and simple. And it was absolutely B-E-A-utiful! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 In no way am I saying he did anything illegal. I encourage our players to deliver as many hits like that as possible. I am arguing that his teammates should do something about it then and there. If that were Henk I sure wouldn't want our guys to stick their thumbs up their asses and watch the replay on the big board. Hank doesn't skate with his head down. But if he did get laid out like that, I see no reason to give the other team a PP just to retaliate a clean hit. One of our best players now needs a few minutes to shake his head, and you want to give them a man advantage for two minutes. Did you want to pull the goalie too, you know, to even things up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 In no way am I saying he did anything illegal. I encourage our players to deliver as many hits like that as possible. I am arguing that his teammates should do something about it then and there. If that were Henk I sure wouldn't want our guys to stick their thumbs up their asses and watch the replay on the big board. What if in a 2-2 game in the third Kronwall nails Toews in the Neutral zone causing a turn over and a odd man rush the other way? Not only did you lose a scoring chance for a clean hit, Kronwall might get a penalty for defending himself.... If the other team wants to fight after a clean hit they need to be given a penalty at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Hank doesn't skate with his head down. But if he did get laid out like that, I see no reason to give the other team a PP just to retaliate a clean hit. One of our best players now needs a few minutes to shake his head, and you want to give them a man advantage for two minutes. Did you want to pull the goalie too, you know, to even things up? Nah, we should just let them run us again and let the Nightmare on Helm Street unleash his 5'11" 180 lbs of retaliatory fury next period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Nah, we should just let them run us again and let the Nightmare on Helm Street unleash his 5'11" 180 lbs of retaliatory fury next period. Sarcasm notwithstanding, we are talking about a clean hit. At what point is it ok to take a retaliatory penalty for something that was completely clean and legal. Did you get injured today? Get your head knocked around a bit? Are you Jonathon Toews? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Sarcasm notwithstanding, we are talking about a clean hit. At what point is it ok to take a retaliatory penalty for something that was completely clean and legal. When the hit is more legal than clean, and when its October and you don't want the rest of the league to think they can push your diminutive team around for the next 70-odd games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HadThomasVokounOnFortSt 878 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Typical Hawks fan trying to prove points on how that was not a clean hit. Remember the Havlat one? I sure do, was that dirty also? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 When the hit is more legal than clean, and when its October and you don't want the rest of the league to think they can push your diminutive team around for the next 70-odd games. I'll assume you are trying to infer that the hit was not clean, or at least not "very clean". I think you are out of your depth on this one. There was nothing wrong with that hit. It was legal and it was clean. What the f*** does October have to do with it? Is October a non-checking month and nobody told me? Can we hit in November or do we have to wait until January or March? Stop talking, Toews. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pat_honda 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 There was retaliation because the hit occurred against the Hawks' Captain, Jonathan Toews. The clean/not clean/legality argument should have been put to bed after Toews himself said he was caught with his head down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Been a Wings fan since 78-79. When were you born? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 I'll assume you are trying to infer that the hit was not clean, or at least not "very clean". I think you are out of your depth on this one. There was nothing wrong with that hit. It was legal and it was clean. What the f*** does October have to do with it? Is October a non-checking month and nobody told me? Can we hit in November or do we have to wait until January or March? Stop talking, Toews. Clearly you are not so smart so I will spell it out for you. October is the beginning of the season. See if you can pick it up from there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy_Like_Wingy 25 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) The was a great CLEAN hit!! The thing that pissed me off was the fact that after the hit Vancouver had a breakaway with Sedin and the play was stopped because Chicago players went after Mitchell and wanted to fight!! AFTER A CLEAN HIT!! I just don't understand this game sometimes! People want hitting and then a "star player" gets caught with his head down and all of a sudden this is a terrible thing!! Not to mention Mitchell then gets a penalty because he was involved in the tussel after the CLEAN HIT!! Someone please explain this to me!! You can whine all you want about the scrapping afterwards but any of these 30 teams would do the same thing if their captain just got harpooned like that. I'd be angry if the Wings didn't get retribution on Lidstrom getting pegged like that. What I don't agree with is the stoppage in play. Anyway, I give props to Toews for getting up right after the hit and kind of making it back to the bench. Word on HFboards is that he practiced today and might even be playing Saturday. Tough kid. Edited October 23, 2009 by Tommy_Like_Wingy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Clearly you are not so smart so I will spell it out for you. October is the beginning of the season. See if you can pick it up from there. Hey, thanks for the heads up! I wasn't sure for a while. Now I'm just not sure when players are allowed to hit. Help me out here. Maybe you can spell it out for me. Is there a specific time? Or does the league wait for you to call them and tell them that hitting is now acceptable? When it does start, are they allowed to continue to the end of the season, or is there a date you have in mind when they should stop? Is it the hard hitting that doesn't start in October or are little pansy hits ok? Any information you could pass on to me would be greatly appreciated. Your wealth of info here is priceless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pat_honda 0 Report post Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Toews said he was caught with his head down, period. I think he would know better than anyone. The issue is that it happened to our captain and they will pay for it. Edited October 23, 2009 by pat_honda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
