ATTA BOY KOPECKY

[Frozen-Man 144]

....because the Wings are a physically weak team - too weak to play the game that Parros plays. If Downey were dressed, Parros would be dressed.

So Parros is not good enough to play this series and here is something you said about Downey last week:

I agree that he isn't a good hockey player. I'm not arguring that he should be in this playoff series.

So your idea in the quarter finals for the Stanley Cup is to take up two roster spots for these guys for what reason?

[kook_10 1,705]

I agree with your first sentence ... however, I don't believe that Kopecky getting his ass kicked is going to affect their gameplan one bit.

I think it would because on the ice Beauchemin > Kopecky , in the box Beauchemin = Kopecky

Edited May 8, 2009 by kook_10

[lets go pavel 2]

I think it would because on the ice Beauchemin > Kopecky , in the box Beauchemin = Kopecky

But why is that going to dissuade the rest of their players from the physically intimidating play? Are they going to play nice out of fear that Kopecky will take Beauchemin to the penalty box again? It worked out fine last night, but I don't see it having any lasting affect on the Ducks style of play ...

(edit: shpelling)

Edited May 8, 2009 by lets go pavel

[DatsMyWings13 4]

I also liked it for

- he dropped the gloves and squared off. How often do we get to see that, period?

- bye-bye to one of their top D for 5 mins. Bad timing? I think not with 6 mins and change to go in the game. That and it just gives Pronger/Niedermayer that much more time on the ice that they don't really need.

Thanks Kopy!

This is the way I see it as well.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Fact is he's an enforcer that played the entire series against the best team in the league (record-wise) in the playoffs, which according to some on this board should never have happened. And oh by the way, they won the series with said fighter in the lineup. No place for enforcers in the playoffs my ass! That's all.

esteef

Should, could, woulda...what? The matchup between the Sharks-Ducks is completely different than the Wings-Ducks.

Versus the Sharks, a guy like Parros is more useful. Vesus the Wings, he's useless.

[Valas19 50]

Ergo he is useless.

Come on, now. The moustache has awesome written all over it.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I referred to Wis later in my post and I must have been thinking two steps ahead of how fast my fingers were typing.

[kook_10 1,705]

But why is that going to dissuade the rest of their players from the physically intimidating play? Are they going to play nice out of fear that Kopecky will take Beauchemin to the penalty box again? It worked out fine last night, but I don't see it having any lasting affect on the Ducks style of play ...

(edit: shpelling)

well maybe it wouldnt take them off their gameplan as much as it would detract from their ability to intimidate, and their perceived advantage from it both on the bench and in the stands.

[esteef 2,679]

Should, could, woulda...what? The matchup between the Sharks-Ducks is completely different than the Wings-Ducks.

Versus the Sharks, a guy like Parros is more useful. Vesus the Wings, he's useless.

Says you. I disagree. The Wings can be pushed around and it certainly gets them off their game. The Ducks are stupid to try and match talent with talent against the Wings forwards. They've beaten us in the playoffs before by playing physical and they should be doing it now IMO. But, goody for us!

esteef

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Yeah NFM I'll bet you've never even been to a hockey game! I'll bet you have never laced up a pair of skates or even stepped on the ice.

I added this type of stupid comment to the Dead To Me thread the other day.

I rank those two comments right up there with calling someone "Hitler" on a message board.....its an automatic win for the other guy.

Besides, for how much I'm on this site (and how long micah has been a member), does he really think I've never been to a game (or played the sport for that matter)?

[Frozen-Man 144]

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Fact is he's an enforcer that played the entire series against the best team in the league (record-wise) in the playoffs, which according to some on this board should never have happened. And oh by the way, they won the series with said fighter in the lineup. No place for enforcers in the playoffs my ass! That's all.

esteef

Yeah but when they advanced to the second round and began playing the defending Cup champions the ducks played him the first game and after they lost promptly yanked him from the lineup.

Additionally in the 7 games he has played in the playoffs he has only gotten into 1 fight. Kopy and Ericcson have fought just as much as Parros has. He also had 0 goals, 0 assists, averaged 5:32 TOI per game, and only 8.3 shifts per game. Compare that to Chelli (who is our last defenseman, only in because of two injuries to our D core, and has been getting ripped as useless on these boards) he has averaged 7:16 TOI per game and 10.3 shifts per game. Our guy who is 47 years old, is only in the game because of multiple injuries to other players, and only suited up 28 games the entire season is averaging 25% more ice time then Parros has in the playoffs. I wouldn't exactly say he has been an essential cog in the ducks post season.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Says you. I disagree. The Wings can be pushed around and it certainly gets them off their game. The Ducks are stupid to try and match talent with talent against the Wings forwards. They've beaten us in the playoffs before by playing physical and they should be doing it now IMO. But, goody for us!

esteef

Guys like Parros playing physical is gonna land them in the box. No doubt the Wings have been beaten by physically superior opponents in the past, but the team last year showed it can stand up for itself to the extent it needs to in order to be successful in the playoffs.

[lets go pavel 2]

well maybe it wouldnt take them off their gameplan as much as it would detract from their ability to intimidate, and their perceived advantage from it both on the bench and in the stands.

Ehh ... maybe. I'm glad he's sticking up for himself. However, I didn't like the timing (or the showing) ...

[Johnny Law 15]

You ever been to a hockey game? Strong nuetral zone play and a hockey fight do not have the same effect on the crowd.

The crowd ? Seriously at best the crowd may have a 10% influence.

You want to physically destroy a team neutral zone play and board work is far far more effective than fighting and crowd involvement.

Ask hockey players how much they like constantly having to circle back and how frustrating it can be when you can't enter the zone. Never mind that strong neutral zone play inevitably leads to dump and chase, which is just a s*** ton of work. Throw in a team that gets to loose pucks first and grinds on the boards and said team just wants to go home and try again tomorrow.

Fighting serves a purpose and should remain in the game, hell I'm for getting rid of the instigator penalty but some people seem to think its the holy grail of a good team (ESAD) and way overvalue its ability to change the outcome of games.

Kopy made a super smart play, get B off the ice and make them go with even less d men. Anaheim has essentially been playing with 2 lines and a fifth guy mixed in, that's tiring and makes it difficult to really get it going for a late 3rd rally.

[esteef 2,679]

Guys like Parros playing physical is gonna land them in the box. No doubt the Wings have been beaten by physically superior opponents in the past, but the team last year showed it can stand up for itself to the extent it needs to in order to be successful in the playoffs.

Last year's road to the Cup was pretty soft and didn't include the Ducks. Just sayin'. If the Ducks really beared down on Detroit like we've seen in the past they could really cause some havoc and IMO is their only chance to win the series.

esteef

[kook_10 1,705]

Ehh ... maybe. I'm glad he's sticking up for himself. However, I didn't like the timing (or the showing) ...

I didn't love the showing either, but I guarantee if Downey was squared up with Beauchemin and it was a hard throwing minute and a half fight it would have pumped the Ducks and their crowd up twice as much.

[Frozen-Man 144]

I rank those two comments right up there with calling someone "Hitler" on a message board.....its an automatic win for the other guy.

QFT

Besides, for how much I'm on this site (and how long micah has been a member), does he really think I've never been to a game (or played the sport for that matter)?

It always seems to me that when you have to resort to those types of comments its because can't argue or articulate an opposing point so you revert to third grade "I'm rubber you're glue" tactics.

Edit* Grammar

Edited May 8, 2009 by Frozen-Man

[Guest micah]

So Parros is not good enough to play this series and here is something you said about Downey last week:

So your idea in the quarter finals for the Stanley Cup is to take up two roster spots for these guys for what reason?

Your crush on me is flattering.

Have I ever said (except when I suggesting sending Pavel Down to GR for conditioning and bringing Downey up - whisch was clearly in jest) that Downey (or Parros for that matter) should be playing in this series? When did you stop beating your wife?

Also, for the record I have no idea who NFM is, if he's ever played hockey or been to a hockey game. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to people on boards, I'm more interested in the topics discussed than the posters involved. Sorry. I see NFM is in Green Bay, I'm guessing he ain't Bobby Shea.

[lets go pavel 2]

I didn't love the showing either, but I guarantee if Downey was squared up with Beauchemin and it was a hard throwing minute and a half fight it would have pumped the Ducks and their crowd up twice as much.

I don't think so, I think if Downey had come out on top it would have had the opposite effect, but I guess there's no way to know ...

[GMRwings1983 8,802]

Imagine how big a ***** Patrick Sharp felt like after watching that fight.

People who can't grow facial hair shouldn't be allowed to fight, even against a Frenchman.

[norrisnick 1]

Says you. I disagree. The Wings can be pushed around and it certainly gets them off their game. The Ducks are stupid to try and match talent with talent against the Wings forwards. They've beaten us in the playoffs before by playing physical and they should be doing it now IMO. But, goody for us!

esteef

Then why isn't Parros around doing any pushing and shoving? Being the biggest baddest Duck, you'd think Carlyle would want to use that to his advantage? Oh wait! Parros only played 1 game against us in '07 too. 37 playoff games by the Ducks during Parros' tenure and he only dressed for 13 of them. That doesn't seem right...

[egroen 384]

The only time I noticed Parros in Game 1 was when he desperately flipped the puck over the boards and served two minutes for delay of game. I personally liked Kopecky taking a top 4 defender, of an already defensively depleted team, off the ice for 5 minutes towards the end of the 3rd.

[Guest micah]

Then why isn't Parros around doing any pushing and shoving? Being the biggest baddest Duck, you'd think Carlyle would want to use that to his advantage? Oh wait! Parros only played 1 game against us in '07 too. 37 playoff games by the Ducks during Parros' tenure and he only dressed for 13 of them. That doesn't seem right...

I agree with NN. The way the game is called today, being brave and tough and willing to risk a busted face for your team does not result in anything but penalties. In today's game, you can ice a team of gutless weaklings who are too scared to fight anybody, and there's nothing a tough guy can do about it. While I hate that the Wings are mostlt cowards when it comes to fighting, a fair portion of the blame has to rest on the league's shoulders. The instigator rule provides the protection to the weak that strong, brave men provided in years past. Tomas Holmstrom would not be able to stand in front of andy Moog, Dave Semenko would have killed him. Back in the day, a guy had to be able to fight for the ice he occupied, it just isn't true anymore.

[EuroMan 3]

I don't care what anyone says, that was hands down the toughest, grittiest game the son-of-a-b has played these playoffs and even though he lost (handedly) to Beauchemin, the fact that he even stood up and actually fought, gets HIGH praises in my book, especially since we exchanged a 4th liner for one of their top 4 d-men for a nice 5 minute sit down, with less than 9 minutes left and the Ducks down 2 goals...

Kopecky -

:clap:

What are you talking about. Kopecky is one of our worst players. He hasn't developed into anything in 3 years here. And the fight? Are you kidding me. He got his ass kicked and had to go for Xrays and CT scan to make sure he didn't get the same problem as Lilja did ( another "great" fighter on the team )

[DatsMyWings13 4]

I agree with NN. The way the game is called today, being brave and tough and willing to risk a busted face for your team does not result in anything but penalties. In today's game, you can ice a team of gutless weaklings who are too scared to fight anybody, and there's nothing a tough guy can do about it. While I hate that the Wings are mostlt cowards when it comes to fighting, a fair portion of the blame has to rest on the league's shoulders. The instigator rule provides the protection to the weak that strong, brave men provided in years past. Tomas Holmstrom would not be able to stand in front of andy Moog, Dave Semenko would have killed him. Back in the day, a guy had to be able to fight for the ice he occupied, it just isn't true anymore.

How can you be a fan of a team when this is how you feel about them? I don't understand.

I get that you like fights but you seem to spend way to much of your time wishing for things to be like they were instead of enjoying what we've got.