Randy Carlyle's view of the hit

[Guest Shoreline]

Meh, he's the opposing team's coach.. personally he could suggest Lidstrom was Satan and it wouldn't matter to me.

[heed316 7]

Here's the quote as best I can transcribe it...

On Brown Hit

"Oh I'm sure they're going to say it was dirty, but this is a game that is played and physical contact is allowed. We timed the hit, basically from the time he passed the puck to the time Mike Brown made contact with him there wasn't a second that went off the clock...he didn't hit him with his elbow, he hit him with his shoulder, and Hudler was admiring his pass. They can say all they want about a dirty hit, that's not a dirty hit in hockey. You're allowed to take the body in this game."

On Franzen Goal

"It's amazing isn't it. We're supposed to be protecting the goalies, and the guy puts the puck in the net and runs the goalie over. That's the way it goes...the video doesn't lie."

[YoungGuns1340 1]

Here's the quote as best I can transcribe it...

On Brown Hit

"Oh I'm sure they're going to say it was dirty, but this is a game that is played and physical contact is allowed. We timed the hit, basically from the time he passed the puck to the time Mike Brown made contact with him there wasn't a second that went off the clock...he didn't hit him with his elbow, he hit him with his shoulder, and Hudler was admiring his pass. They can say all they want about a dirty hit, that's not a dirty hit in hockey. You're allowed to take the body in this game."

On Franzen Goal

"It's amazing isn't it. We're supposed to be protecting the goalies, and the guy puts the puck in the net and runs the goalie over. That's the way it goes...the video doesn't lie."

Yup. This is pretty much it.

Basically, Carlyle would be singing a different tune if the roles were reversed, because he knows that petitioning the refs is the only way his team is going to win.

[betterREDthandead 58]

Therrien, Hitchcock, Carlyle....it's nice to see that the Wings are consistently able to reduce other team's coaches to whiny little nine-year-old girls.

[PenaltyShot 96 521]

If his goal was to sound whiny, negative, and bitter about the game, the sport, and life in general...he succeeded.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Therrien, Hitchcock, Carlyle....it's nice to see that the Wings are consistently able to reduce other team's coaches to whiny little nine-year-old girls.

exactly what I was thinking, Red. LOL~

[David 2]

keeping your head up is kinda short for being aware of your surroundings on the ice. Hudler was not, he got dinged as he watched his pass while continuing to skate forward toward Brown. i don't really expect a suspension for that.

Oh, I know that. I just don't see a lot of players doing 360's with their head at all times. I doubt Hudler was aware he was there because Brown came out of nowhere - unless Hudler was swiveling constantly.

Edited May 2, 2009 by David

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

Man you should read this thread on HF Boards

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=638458

Are we watching the same video or something different. Brown hit him up high with the fricken end of his stick.You can even see he hit him with his elbow because there is F'IN BLOOD ALL OVER HIS JERSEY as he skates off.

[Guest bobbyryan]

I want Carlyle fired. He's a bads, the guys don't listen to him, and he whines too much.

It was a dirty hit. That's how we play. We play dirty. It's what we do. My Ducks party high-fived it all around on that hit.

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

Oh, I know that. I just don't see a lot of player's doing 360's with their head at all times. I doubt Hudler was aware he was there because Brown came out of nowhere - unless Hudler was swiveling constantly.

Can you imagine if he got hit looking in the other direction Brown could have snapped his neck.

[Third Man In 2,091]

Therrien, Hitchcock, Carlyle....it's nice to see that the Wings are consistently able to reduce other team's coaches to whiny little nine-year-old girls.

That's a bit of an insult to nine-year-old girls. It does betray a certain frustration that opposing coaches resort to these tactics, though. Unfortunately, it also seems effective; Therrien certainly got a few more calls to go his way the following game.

[EuroTwin 240]

Therrien, Hitchcock, Carlyle....it's nice to see that the Wings are consistently able to reduce other team's coaches to whiny little nine-year-old girls.

And around the world, nine year old girls look up from what they're doing, toss their hair over their shoulder and go "Pftt, As IF" and then go back to their business.

[Datsyerberger 279]

Datsyerberger's view of Randy Carlyle:

****** canoe.

[Jersey Wing 1,521]

Carlyle is an annoying man. The series hadn't started and he was whining about how the Wings get away with things in front of the net. "Holmstrom odes this and Franzen does that". The puck hadn't even dropped. Now we hear him say basically Hudler ran into Brown's elbow. Then he comments on the Franzen goal and rolls his eyes and snivels "Amazing isn't it" like he's somehow Nostradomus.

I detest whiner coaches, Carlyle is one of them. I think he was mad because he knew the Ducks had a good chance to steal game one and failed. No Draper, No Rafalski, lots of rust on the Wings and yet Detroit wins. That's why I think he's really cranky...

[tweekvp 0]

That DOES NOT justify the hit. What do people not understand about that?

Some have this weird idea that if you didn't intend to commit the penalty is shouldn't be a penalty.

That just simply is not the case. Reckless disregard for the safety of your fellow player warrants a suspension no matter what the intentions.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Carlyle should take notes; whining didn't do much for Ken Hitchcock's team, now did it? Anytime there is blood, that's a problem. Clean hits don't bleed. And there's no way in hell a shoulder does that unless the shoulder has a switchblade sticking out.

Accept that Brown f***ed up and quit crying.

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

Did we seriously expect anything from the Ducks other than dirtiness and whining?

[T.Low 1,011]

Even though I still play hockey, I'm not quite sure why Franzen mowing over Hiller wasn't called. Nobody was even near him to push him into Hiller. I mean, its not like football, where if you actually do block the punt then its ok to hit the punter, right?

I don't care, and i don't have a problem with mowing over the goalie after you score, just curious.

[dawings1905 2]

keeping your head up is kinda short for being aware of your surroundings on the ice. Hudler was not, he got dinged as he watched his pass while continuing to skate forward toward Brown. i don't really expect a suspension for that.

So.....by this logic......If player (A) has his head down and gets whacked over the head by a baseball bat swing using a hockey stick (by player B). Then, according to your logic....player B should have no suspension forthcoming?

Comon seriously??

Now I can see the argument, that for one's own protection they should have their head on a swivel, but just because someone doesn't.....doesn't mean the rules don't apply if they do not. Your argument is very flawed. So I guess if you have your head down, guys are allowed to do whatever they want to you?

[Ms_Hockey 0]

Actually it looked like a bicep to face hit; Hudler does have to keep his head up since this is the style of game that Carlyle preaches for the playoffs (read dirty).

Plus with Hudler being shorter in stature he's gonna have a higher chance of geting his bell rung.

I hadn't reviewed the hit when I posted that, so I was going by general statements.

I do agree, though. Hudler needs to be aware of his surroundings and pay closer attention to oncoming hits. By the same token, I don't think that excuses Brown.

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

Now I hope he plays in the next game and helm lays him out. Then as he does that he says "keep your F'IN head up".

[Ms_Hockey 0]

No excuses indeed...To me it appeared he intended to blindside him fully aware that Hudler didn't have the puck - however (not wanting to play the advocate) from Brown's angle on the ice he may have not known that Hudler had passed the puck away.

Either way it's playoff hockey against the Ducks; this sort of behavior/conduct is expected from them...Gotta keep yur head up - eh?

This Ducks fan I've been talking to said it best, really.

"It was a dick play and a s***ty hit that he didn't need to finish... but it happens all the time. Take the blood out of the scenario and nobody is talking about it."

[under_par_00 45]

Look familiar?

Was Phaneuf suspended? This was last season so the league might not have been as strict on headshots. Notice Hudler watching his pass! Although I think tonight it doesnt matter if he was watchin his pass or not, he wouldnt have seen it coming.

[MTU_Huskies963 398]

Look familiar?

Was Phaneuf suspended? This was last season so the league might not have been as strict on headshots. Notice Hudler watching his pass! Although I think tonight it doesnt matter if he was watchin his pass or not, he wouldnt have seen it coming.

I have no problem with that play because because Dion was squared up to to it hudler. Tonight brown looked like he veered off course and change his path after Hudler dumped the puck off. Then to follow it up he blasted him in the head. I never understood this "keep your head up". Hudler's head is up the hitter intentions are to come from the blind side when he is making the pass.

[MannyK 16]

Look familiar?

Was Phaneuf suspended? This was last season so the league might not have been as strict on headshots. Notice Hudler watching his pass! Although I think tonight it doesnt matter if he was watchin his pass or not, he wouldnt have seen it coming.

looks like Phaneuf left his feet on that one too...