Patrick Roy's son

[FireCaptain 563]

He got charged for the fight from earlier in the year.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/8399478?MSNHPHMA

[Doc Holiday 0]

He is a terrible goalie so who cares. He will probably never make it into the NHL. He is like his dad X10

[Stu in Israel 0]

An unsophisticated sociological/psychological comment: Due to America being so much of an immigrant-accepting country, sons usually exceed the achievements of their parents: educationally, financially, occupationally, professionally. However, counter to this, the many (not all) offspring of famous or rich people seem to have troublesome lives (until they get themselves straightened out!): the rich ones become profligates, and the offspring of famous parents turn to drink or drugs.

Yes, the above is a terrible generalization, but start to think about the Paris Hiltons in the first group, and the first four sons of Bing Crosby as representatives of the second group, of this pattern.

The only "out" of this pattern, is for the offspring to find a career or vocation in which they can shine in their own light.

[FireCaptain 563]

Um, good thesis, but the Roy's are from Canada.

"America" usually refers to the U.S. unless it is prefaced by "North". Even then, North America is a continent, not a country.

An unsophisticated sociological/psychological comment: Due to America being so much of an immigrant-accepting country, sons usually exceed the achievements of their parents: educationally, financially, occupationally, professionally. However, counter to this, the many (not all) offspring of famous or rich people seem to have troublesome lives (until they get themselves straightened out!): the rich ones become profligates, and the offspring of famous parents turn to drink or drugs.

Yes, the above is a terrible generalization, but start to think about the Paris Hiltons in the first group, and the first four sons of Bing Crosby as representatives of the second group, of this pattern.

The only "out" of this pattern, is for the offspring to find a career or vocation in which they can shine in their own light.

[Cern 0]

Um, good thesis, but the Roy's are from Canada.

"America" usually refers to the U.S. unless it is prefaced by "North". Even then, North America is a continent, not a country.

So Canada DOSEN'T have a history as an immigrant-accepting country?

[octopusonice 0]

An unsophisticated sociological/psychological comment: Due to America being so much of an immigrant-accepting country, sons usually exceed the achievements of their parents: educationally, financially, occupationally, professionally. However, counter to this, the many (not all) offspring of famous or rich people seem to have troublesome lives (until they get themselves straightened out!): the rich ones become profligates, and the offspring of famous parents turn to drink or drugs.

Yes, the above is a terrible generalization, but start to think about the Paris Hiltons in the first group, and the first four sons of Bing Crosby as representatives of the second group, of this pattern.

The only "out" of this pattern, is for the offspring to find a career or vocation in which they can shine in their own light.

I think there's something to that, but not sure it applies to the young Roy. Patrick was not the greatest influence as a parent. IIRC there have been issues with alcohol and spousal abuse.

There is also a problem that many athletes develop where they are worshipped so much and so much is done for them at an early age (not all of it good) that they believe they are above the law.

Several fallen stars like Britney Spears, who experienced success well beyond any accomplishments of her parents, only to turn to alcohol and drugs herself.

It is difficult to handle fame and success, and as much as I hate to admit it, I think the Manning family has done well so far with Peyton and Eli.

It's not enough to have the skills and tools to succeed on the field, you must also be able to handle life off the field, and unfortunately many don't. Just ask former Chargers Steve Foley and Terrance Kiel.

[Stu in Israel 0]

As I wrote, my post was an "unsophisticated sociological/psychological comment," so I thank Octopusonice for his/her very intelligent insights into this problem.

After actor and entertainer Freddie Prinze had committed suicide, people who had known him or influenced him were interviewed and a former acting coach of his in New York said, "We can teach them how to be successful, but we can't teach them how to handle success once they get there."

[octopusonice 0]

As I wrote, my post was an "unsophisticated sociological/psychological comment," so I thank Octopusonice for his/her very intelligent insights into this problem.

After actor and entertainer Freddie Prinze had committed suicide, people who had known him or influenced him were interviewed and a former acting coach of his in New York said, "We can teach them how to be successful, but we can't teach them how to handle success once they get there."

Thanks. You got me thinking on the topic.

It's 'his' by the way. LOL

[daniel1 32]

As I wrote, my post was an "unsophisticated sociological/psychological comment," so I thank Octopusonice for his/her very intelligent insights into this problem.

After actor and entertainer Freddie Prinze had committed suicide, people who had known him or influenced him were interviewed and a former acting coach of his in New York said, "We can teach them how to be successful, but we can't teach them how to handle success once they get there."

Honestly I think it's more a case of "how to handle the unlimited bank account", which leads to MANY opportunities for partying and clubbing, which leads to many opportunities for alcohol/drugs/sex, which leads to many photo ops and embarrassing magazine covers. If the publics perception is that you're a drunken tard who spends all the money on drugs and alcohol and that your career is heading for the toilet it's tough to change that perception which then becomes the reality as your career opportunities and fans dry up. I don't think it's necessarily the success that ruins the individual; it's the lifestyle choices.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I've got thoughts on this all over the place so I'll probably need some help with people more knowledgable than myself, and I've only seen a clip of this incident twice.

More or less, Roy just goes to the other goalie and starts throwing fists at him and the other goalie does nothing, right? And didn't Patrick Roy tell him to fight the other goalie? I understand the assault charge going to Roy Jr., but if it can be found out that Patrick Roy pre-meditated, shouldn't a charge be realisitically put on him as well?

Also, did the other goalie get severly hurt from this as a result? I'd be interested in knowing if the assault charges are legit to you based on this, or if that consideration is a moot point.

Please keep in mind I'm no lawyer so a lot of what I said here might just be irrelevant.

I think it is safe to say that fighting in hockey, even brawls that flounder somewhat out of control, are somewhat accepted in the game, but ONLY at the professional level. I rarely watch collegiate hockey and there is no junior hockey down in my neck of the woods obviously but fighting I would think is frowned upon on these levels.

[stud_defenseman 1]

As much as some people would like to, you can't blame the parents for everything to do with their children's deficiencies. While he has cleary inherited his father's tendencies towards anger and violence, no excuses should be made for him. I'm glad to see that he was charged.

[stud_defenseman 1]

I watch a lot of OHL hockey via the Oshawa Generals and fighting is generally accepted, even encouraged. It can almost be guarenteed that if a team gets up to a massive lead there are going to be a plethora of fights instigated by the losing team. Everyone cheers, the guys go to the box and that is all.

[deltsig87 3]

Is it just me or does it seem very strange that charges were pressed in this incident? Generally in hockey and other sports, assault charges are only filed if a "weapon" was involved (i.e. bat, stick, etc.) In any professional sport, especially hockey fighting is part of the game and an "assumption of risk". Then again those damn Canadians do have funny laws and such. IMO there should be no charges here.

P.S. The Roy family is worthless and deserves a simliar fate as the O'Doyles

[FireCaptain 563]

I didn't say that, I was referring to the quoted text that said America.

No one calls Canada - "America". Just like no one calls the U.S. - "Canada".

So Canada DOSEN'T have a history as an immigrant-accepting country?

[Guest micah]

Why are charges being filed against someone for instigating a fight durring a hockey game? What am I missing here?

[BobRouse03 31]

Is it just me or does it seem very strange that charges were pressed in this incident? Generally in hockey and other sports, assault charges are only filed if a "weapon" was involved (i.e. bat, stick, etc.) In any professional sport, especially hockey fighting is part of the game and an "assumption of risk". Then again those damn Canadians do have funny laws and such. IMO there should be no charges here.

P.S. The Roy family is worthless and deserves a simliar fate as the O'Doyles

But the O'Doyles rule!

[shadow47 1]

This story makes me so ******* mad. What's that puss Nadeau doing just standing there and then doesn't even try to tie Roy up, and just lets himself get beat down? It's hockey, *******, stop pretending like it isn't...what does he think is going to happen? And now this, because of all the press, normal everyday people seeing fighting that MUST GO PUNISHED! so assault charges are filed. It's ridiculous, Roy Jr. did nothing criminal and yet has the threat of criminal charges being filed against him? I will say this a million times, "That's hockey, that's hockey, that's hockey..." Yeah, fighting's frowned upon, it is still assault if a 25 year old punches a 25 year old in a bar, but in the NHL it happens nightly unless heavens there's a freak accident like the Bertuzzi situation etc. that results in a media storm and then extra punishment is doled out. This sort of PR bulls*** needs to be kept out of the sport.

Edit: the main point of this is my outrage at that Nadeau kid acting the "victim". As a goalie you dream of the day when your number gets called like that, and this ******* kid humiliates himself. Absolutely humiliates himself. It is beyond comprehension to me.

Edited August 1, 2008 by shadow47

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

It's too bad there won't be any prison time for this little "son of a *****"

[Guest mindfly]

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree ;-)

[T.Low 1,011]

Bobby Nadeu didn't really seem to be into it like Jonny Roy. I'm not a big Roy fan, but WTF was Nadeu doing just kicking back on his net like it was kool aid time or something? HE's gotta know what a nut little Roy is, and he sees him doing the center ice dance, WTF was he thinking? He just sat there and let him ram right into him at full speed and took it all.

IMHO, the charges must stem from:

a) Nadeu is obviously a bit of a puss, so thats his logical next step.

b) Nadeu has some dental work or hospital bills that will only get paid if he presses assault charges.

But what do I know, I've been in more than a few fights, but no law suits.

Edit: How did we make it two pages before anyone posted a video of the fight?

Edited August 1, 2008 by T.Low

[FireCaptain 563]

I didn't post it at the start b/c it happened months ago and there was a thread about it. I just posted the update.

Good to refresh everyones memory though.

Edit: How did we make it two pages before anyone posted a video of the fight?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

This story makes me so ******* mad. What's that puss Nadeau doing just standing there and then doesn't even try to tie Roy up, and just lets himself get beat down? It's hockey, *******, stop pretending like it isn't...what does he think is going to happen? And now this, because of all the press, normal everyday people seeing fighting that MUST GO PUNISHED! so assault charges are filed. It's ridiculous, Roy Jr. did nothing criminal and yet has the threat of criminal charges being filed against him? I will say this a million times, "That's hockey, that's hockey, that's hockey..." Yeah, fighting's frowned upon, it is still assault if a 25 year old punches a 25 year old in a bar, but in the NHL it happens nightly unless heavens there's a freak accident like the Bertuzzi situation etc. that results in a media storm and then extra punishment is doled out. This sort of PR bulls*** needs to be kept out of the sport.

Edit: the main point of this is my outrage at that Nadeau kid acting the "victim". As a goalie you dream of the day when your number gets called like that, and this ******* kid humiliates himself. Absolutely humiliates himself. It is beyond comprehension to me.

In a much calmer way I agree with this. That's what makes this assult charge a bit baffling to me. Not so much that Roy "attacked" him obviously, but the other goalie from the video just didn't seem to do anything or care or prepare that Roy was coming in. Maybe he was confused, I don't know. While I'm not one in real life to condone throwing fists at people are starting s**t (please for the love of god let's not turn this into a fighting in hockey debate because I do like a good 1-on-1 hockey scrap like anybody else), if somebody is coming at you like that, you need to at least TRY to defend yourself. The other goalie looks like he didn't even make any attempt whatsoever.

[Doc Holiday 0]

In a much calmer way I agree with this. That's what makes this assult charge a bit baffling to me. Not so much that Roy "attacked" him obviously, but the other goalie from the video just didn't seem to do anything or care or prepare that Roy was coming in. Maybe he was confused, I don't know. While I'm not one in real life to condone throwing fists at people are starting s**t (please for the love of god let's not turn this into a fighting in hockey debate because I do like a good 1-on-1 hockey scrap like anybody else), if somebody is coming at you like that, you need to at least TRY to defend yourself. The other goalie looks like he didn't even make any attempt whatsoever.

If it was anybody else he would not have had a problem just standing there. He seemed to forget that the other goalie was teh offspring of Patty Roy. Perhaps the guy doesn't watch the NHL?