Dom Bashers Welcome!

[34Legace34 0]

i know it was almost 10 years ago, but team Canada in Nagano would have something to say about his bad breakaway goaltending

[gcom007 1,465]

I am sorry you have such a negative opinion, but glad you got that off your chest. It's a fine addition to the general dismissal and bashing of Hasek this year -- let's get personal since the stats are not a good enough reason to trash him. What does your version of Hasek have to do with anything related to hockey, if any of it's even true?

BTW, I guess Chris Osgood is a fool or a liar, or at the very least a very bad judge of character, since he says he likes Dom. So do Chelios and various other Wings who actually know him, so there's something fundamentally wrong with all of them, I guess. <<< this is sarcasm, for the slower-laners in here.

It doesn't have anything to do with hockey in some ways, but let's put it like this.

I don't like Manny Legace as a goalie. I didn't want him starting and I feel that he played a hearty role in our early exit second time through. Not saying the team didn't fail to do their part either, but usually our goaltending is strong enough to get us through. This time the skaters sucked and the goaltending sucked. I was calling it in October before the playoffs that if he started he'd blow it. I didn't like him as a goalie. But, he's a real nice guy off the ice it seems so generally speaking, I don't dislike him too much. Not everyone can be a good starter.

The thing about Dom off the ice is that I don't like what he brings to the team. He's not a team guy. He talks the talk to the press and you obviously eat it all up based on your last paragraph. Not saying any of it's not true, but at the same time, have you ever heard of PR? You think they're going to air their dirty laundry to the press while he's here? No. Everything is rosy. Funny how as soon as he's gone teams seem to have quite a bit to get off their chest about him. If it was isolated, I wouldn't think much of it but it's been consistent throughout his career. He's just a self-serving pain in the ass. Plenty of players are but at least they know how to play the game so as not to hinder the team. Dom consistently hasn't.

If you ask me, all he's done from the day we acquired him is hurt the team. He took away a great player in Kozlov and pushed off a more than capable goalie in Osgood. Sure, Hasek at his best is a great goalie, but it's not worth the added bulls*** considering this is a team sport. We would've won the Cup in '02 with Osgood in net and we could've skipped the whole Cujo/Dom II/Manny era and maybe skated to another Cup or two while we were at it. Some of those teams were great but they were plagued by so many locker room issues that a mild-mannered coach couldn't handle.

Bottom line though, you keep Hasek out of the whole equation and you maintain a far more consistent and balanced TEAM. Even in this last stint where Hasek's put on his best face given the short leash Babcock and management have him on given his history, it still always feels like the Red Wings and Dominik Hasek. I don't think it's healthy. I think the players know it more than they'll let on until mid-season next year when he's been gone long enough that the press and players feel comfortable posting more honest stories.

That's where it heads to the ice. If the team doesn't think or play like a team because of drama, even if it's just throwing them off a bit, that can make a big difference as to what's happening on the ice. Hasek adds drama. Hasek's ego is like a giant black cloud in the locker room as has been readily observed and reiterated time and time again throughout his career. No one knows when he's going to just bail. This year though, I don't think many will be too upset when and if he does bail. I think once again the management will be saying, "Enough is enough and good riddens."

Edited November 25, 2007 by gcom007

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

Just curious. I've met him a few times and found him to be not only an ******* but quite a ****** bag as well. I could see why people have viewed him as a locker room cancer. I also worked at Twelve Oaks Mall when Dominator was first getting up and knew some employees who reiterated the same. Plus my whole experience with him in downtown Birmingham where he got his groove on with about 6 bimbos in a limo days before announcing his retirement so he could return to the Czeck with his family. That was cute too. Classy guy. Well, at least the girls didn't look cheap.

So, if it was just that he's more or less screwed with the chemistry of this team for the last five years while only really playing great in one of those years, I wouldn't dislike him so much. Combine that with the fact that he's just a world class ******* off the ice as well and you begin to understand the tip of the iceberg as to why I so profoundly believe that Detroit would've been far better off had he never slipped a Wings jersey on at all.

Boy, that's just about the most bitter post I've ever read. Were one of those 6 bombos in the limo an ex-girlfriend? I'm not sure how Dom got the locker room cancer label. Other than being at odds with Ted Nolan (lots of people in Buffalo, including the GM John Muckler, were also fueding with Nolan), i've really never heard of anything abnormally negative. In fact, when he contemplated retirement in his Buffalo days his teammates were practically s***ting themselves. It's not Dom's fault we signed him when we already had Cujo and Legacy... the management created the only controversy we had with Dom, he didn't create it (we didn't have to sign him).

Anyways, i liked Darko Milicic's excuse for a swearing spree he had on tv thihs summer, saying that it's his personality that fuels him as an athlete. Like it or not, the same things these people are reveered for on the ice (or court in Darko's case), make them tough to be around in real life. The competative spirit and passion doesn't leave after they unlace their skates. I'm sure you can dig up dirt (or simply make it up as you probably have) on anyone who's ever worn a winged wheel. Hell, i've heard all kinds of Howe stories.

It's ironic that you say he's screwed up team chemistry here and all that. As i've said before, the worst we've ever done with Hasek in net is a loss in the Western Confrence finals... we've always played to or exceeded expectations with him in net during the playoffs. If Dom screwed up chemistry, what can you say for all the goalies we've severely underachieved with (like Osgood, Legacy, Cujo)? I take this as just another post I wouldn't have seen if Hasek was canadian.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I've not heard of Dom being so much a lockerroom cancer. A prima donna, definitely. But honestly I think that's not a big deal when you're talking about goaltenders. They're a weird breed anyway and dont' really have linemates. Them being high maintenance could be an annoyance, but I doubt it disrupts the team too much.

He's one of the greatest to ever play the game. I honestly could care less how nice of a guy he seems off the ice. So far this season though, he's played like dogcrap. That I do care about.

[Booster313 138]

It doesn't have anything to do with hockey in some ways, but let's put it like this.

I don't like Manny Legace as a goalie. I didn't want him starting and I feel that he played a hearty role in our early exit second time through. Not saying the team didn't fail to do their part either, but usually our goaltending is strong enough to get us through. This time the skaters sucked and the goaltending sucked. I was calling it in October before the playoffs that if he started he'd blow it. I didn't like him as a goalie. But, he's a real nice guy off the ice it seems so generally speaking, I don't dislike him too much. Not everyone can be a good starter.

The thing about Dom off the ice is that I don't like what he brings to the team. He's not a team guy. He talks the talk to the press and you obviously eat it all up based on your last paragraph. Not saying any of it's not true, but at the same time, have you ever heard of PR? You think they're going to air their dirty laundry to the press while he's here? No. Everything is rosy. Funny how as soon as he's gone teams seem to have quite a bit to get off their chest about him. If it was isolated, I wouldn't think much of it but it's been consistent throughout his career. He's just a self-serving pain in the ass. Plenty of players are but at least they know how to play the game so as not to hinder the team. Dom consistently hasn't.

If you ask me, all he's done from the day we acquired him is hurt the team. He took away a great player in Kozlov and pushed off a more than capable goalie in Osgood. Sure, Hasek at his best is a great goalie, but it's not worth the added bulls*** considering this is a team sport. We would've won the Cup in '02 with Osgood in net and we could've skipped the whole Cujo/Dom II/Manny era and maybe skated to another Cup or two while we were at it. Some of those teams were great but they were plagued by so many locker room issues that a mild-mannered coach couldn't handle.

Bottom line though, you keep Hasek out of the whole equation and you maintain a far more consistent and balanced TEAM. Even in this last stint where Hasek's put on his best face given the short leash Babcock and management have him on given his history, it still always feels like the Red Wings and Dominik Hasek. I don't think it's healthy. I think the players know it more than they'll let on until mid-season next year when he's been gone long enough that the press and players feel comfortable posting more honest stories.

That's where it heads to the ice. If the team doesn't think or play like a team because of drama, even if it's just throwing them off a bit, that can make a big difference as to what's happening on the ice. Hasek adds drama. Hasek's ego is like a giant black cloud in the locker room as has been readily observed and reiterated time and time again throughout his career. No one knows when he's going to just bail. This year though, I don't think many will be too upset when and if he does bail. I think once again the management will be saying, "Enough is enough and good riddens."

I disagree with pretty much everything you just said. I've met Dom at least half a dozen times and each time he was gracious enough to spend 10minutes or so conversing with me. Even recalling details from our previous conversations. He was one of the most approachable Wings at training camp this past year, spending 30-45min in the lobby of his hotel greeting fans, taking pictures and signing autographs. (On a side note most of the Wings were very accommodating at camp this year, Hank was probably the least friendly. He was polite but he did everything he could to avoid as many fans as possible.)

As far as Dom's comeback season, it was certainly an uncomfortable situation for all involved. Management wasn't impressed with Cujo's first playoff run and planned on moving him. It didn't work out, Dom inured his groin and the rest is history. This is the reason I believe most people dislike Dom. What people fail to realize is that Dom voluntarily gave back over half of the money he was entitled to that year (3million plus dollars). He is the only player in professional sports history to do such a thing. You do not have to forfeit your contract due to an injury and if you ask Kenny that is the main reason he was invited back last year.

Certainly Dom has been temperamental in the past during his career, but all goalies are. You have to be a little off to want that kind of pressure. Some of teammates loves his intensity others were put off by it, but one thing that will all say is he is a competitor to the end and he wants to win...

So to Puckaloo's point if you want to debate his on ice play this year, your entitled. He hasn't played to his potential but please leave his personal life and the relationship he has with his teammates and how much of a "cancer" he is to the team out of it. Kenny and Mr. I wouldn't continue to invite him back if he were so destructive to the team.

In closing maybe your poor experience in meeting Dom is simply because your an ******* and he could tell so he reacted negatively. Even the nicest most well liked person on earth has people they are not compatible with.

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

I've not heard of Dom being so much a lockerroom cancer. A prima donna, definitely. But honestly I think that's not a big deal when you're talking about goaltenders. They're a weird breed anyway and dont' really have linemates. Them being high maintenance could be an annoyance, but I doubt it disrupts the team too much.

He's one of the greatest to ever play the game. I honestly could care less how nice of a guy he seems off the ice. So far this season though, he's played like dogcrap. That I do care about.

I see nothing wrong with your statement. I just don't much see the point of everyone trying to torch the man alive. As if he's done some great injustice to the team by being traded to the Wings and then wanting to stick with us.

[The Noodle 39 14]

If you ask me, all he's done from the day we acquired him is hurt the team. He took away a great player in Kozlov and pushed off a more than capable goalie in Osgood. Sure, Hasek at his best is a great goalie, but it's not worth the added bulls*** considering this is a team sport. We would've won the Cup in '02 with Osgood in net and we could've skipped the whole Cujo/Dom II/Manny era and maybe skated to another Cup or two while we were at it. Some of those teams were great but they were plagued by so many locker room issues that a mild-mannered coach couldn't handle.

LOLOLOL!!

Would have Ozzie and the wings been able to comeback from a 2-0 series lead vs the Canucks??

Yes Ozzie and the Wings would have beat the blues no doubt there in the second round.

but in the Western conference finals IF Ozzie and the Wings made it that far NO WAY Ozzie backstops us past the Av's man.. NO WAY! lmao!

Edited November 25, 2007 by The Noodle 39

[gcom007 1,465]

I disagree with pretty much everything you just said. I've met Dom at least half a dozen times and each time he was gracious enough to spend 10minutes or so conversing with me. Even recalling details from our previous conversations. He was one of the most approachable Wings at training camp this past year, spending 30-45min in the lobby of his hotel greeting fans, taking pictures and signing autographs. (On a side note most of the Wings were very accommodating at camp this year, Hank was probably the least friendly. He was polite but he did everything he could to avoid as many fans as possible.)

As far as Dom's comeback season, it was certainly an uncomfortable situation for all involved. Management wasn't impressed with Cujo's first playoff run and planned on moving him. It didn't work out, Dom inured his groin and the rest is history. This is the reason I believe most people dislike Dom. What people fail to realize is that Dom voluntarily gave back over half of the money he was entitled to that year (3million plus dollars). He is the only player in professional sports history to do such a thing. You do not have to forfeit your contract due to an injury and if you ask Kenny that is the main reason he was invited back last year.

Certainly Dom has been temperamental in the past during his career, but all goalies are. You have to be a little off to want that kind of pressure. Some of teammates loves his intensity others were put off by it, but one thing that will all say is he is a competitor to the end and he wants to win...

So to Puckaloo's point if you want to debate his on ice play this year, your entitled. He hasn't played to his potential but please leave his personal life and the relationship he has with his teammates and how much of a "cancer" he is to the team out of it. Kenny and Mr. I wouldn't continue to invite him back if he were so destructive to the team.

In closing maybe your poor experience in meeting Dom is simply because your an ******* and he could tell so he reacted negatively. Even the nicest most well liked person on earth has people they are not compatible with.

I would expect him to be on good behavior at a team event, my experience with him and more so the experience of others I know personally was not a team centered circumstance. It was just day to day life when he wasn't on the clock more or less. Does it matter on the ice? No. Like I said though, given how I feel about his locker room drama (call it what you will but all can admit that on some level, it's been present...) combined with the Dom-centered mentality that I'm not a fan of, it's a recipe for me to dislike him. It all adds up. Believe it or not, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Dom hasn't given me much of a reason too unfortunately.

In terms of how he handled giving the money back, I applaud that. That was the classiest move he could've made and I commend him for it as it was totally unprecedented and unnecessary. And sure, management didn't have to bring him back, but they sure put them in a bind. If they don't sign him, he probably goes to Colorado. But again, my thing goes back to the beginning.

I don't think we ever needed him. I think Osgood was more than capable of winning in '02 and beyond and he's proving that still today. Keep Kozlov in the organization and we have another life-long Red Wing we can ALWAYS count on for production in the playoffs. He had clutch written all over him and that's something we've sorely been missing since he left and the future Hall of Famers finished their swan song tour with the Wings.

So again, we skip Hasek, I think we've got a Cup in '02 and maybe more and we skip all the drama that's resulted since. Only in Manny's second playoff run did goaltending contribute to our elimination. We've always been up to snuff in that department so again, I'm not quick to throw credit at Dom because he backstopped the Yankee's of the NHL to a Cup in '02. Furthermore, last year we were successful in the playoffs because Babcock got them to play a different game than they've played. It's always come down to the skaters showing up or not. Hasek's been in the right place at the right time if you ask me. Not saying he's played bad before this year, but he wasn't the reason or answer either year we've had success with him.

LOLOLOL!!

Would have Ozzie and the wings been able to comeback from a 2-0 series lead vs the Canucks??

Yes Ozzie and the Wings would have beat the blues no doubt there in the second round.

but in the Western conference finals IF Ozzie and the Wings made it that far NO WAY Ozzie backstops us past the Av's man.. NO WAY! lmao!

Like most, you wholly and completely underestimate his ability. That's fine. I think he'll have his chance to carve his legacy as one of the Wings greats in the next few years.

[The Noodle 39 14]

Well until then.. because Ozzie has NEVER won a vezina, hart throphy and named mvp of the league. I love Ozzie and hey you might be right.. Ozzie may be coming on and maybe be like Roloson who didnt reach his potential until the end of his career. But your going back in time and saying in 02 Ozzie was great. We will see what the future holds for him and i hope he does turn out to be an elite goalie. But everyone here knows Osgood's past and it's not an elite career. Hasek's past is another story. Dom is going down as one of the best ever if not THE best ever. People might not like him but he has been friggin awesome his entire career. Osgood has been a bust his entire career and is not even in Dom's league. And if you wanna compare them now then hey i would hope Ozzie is somewhat competitive with a 42 year old man!! But when it comes playoff time and that 42 year old man is healthy you will see why he's in net!

[Booster313 138]

I would expect him to be on good behavior at a team event, my experience with him and more so the experience of others I know personally was not a team centered circumstance. It was just day to day life when he wasn't on the clock more or less. Does it matter on the ice? No. Like I said though, given how I feel about his locker room drama (call it what you will but all can admit that on some level, it's been present...) combined with the Dom-centered mentality that I'm not a fan of, it's a recipe for me to dislike him. It all adds up. Believe it or not, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Dom hasn't given me much of a reason too unfortunately.

In terms of how he handled giving the money back, I applaud that. That was the classiest move he could've made and I commend him for it as it was totally unprecedented and unnecessary. And sure, management didn't have to bring him back, but they sure put them in a bind. If they don't sign him, he probably goes to Colorado. But again, my thing goes back to the beginning.

I don't think we ever needed him. I think Osgood was more than capable of winning in '02 and beyond and he's proving that still today. Keep Kozlov in the organization and we have another life-long Red Wing we can ALWAYS count on for production in the playoffs. He had clutch written all over him and that's something we've sorely been missing since he left and the future Hall of Famers finished their swan song tour with the Wings.

So again, we skip Hasek, I think we've got a Cup in '02 and maybe more and we skip all the drama that's resulted since. Only in Manny's second playoff run did goaltending contribute to our elimination. We've always been up to snuff in that department so again, I'm not quick to throw credit at Dom because he backstopped the Yankee's of the NHL to a Cup in '02. Furthermore, last year we were successful in the playoffs because Babcock got them to play a different game than they've played. It's always come down to the skaters showing up or not. Hasek's been in the right place at the right time if you ask me. Not saying he's played bad before this year, but he wasn't the reason or answer either year we've had success with him.

Like most, you wholly and completely underestimate his ability. That's fine. I think he'll have his chance to carve his legacy as one of the Wings greats in the next few years.

Kozlov was an underachiever at the time, there is no way that Kenny could have known he would turn around his career. I won't say that Ozzie would or wouldn't have won the cup in 02 or beyond. There is no way that any of us could know. I do know that Ozzie had the opporunity in 99, 00, and 01 and couldn't seem to get us there. Not that he lost those series by himself but he wasn't the difference either. Isn't that what you want from a playoff goalie??? In Dom's two post seasons with us he has stolen games we shouldn't have won.

Ozzie is having a hell of a year and if he's the better goalie come playoff time then so be it. Whatever gives us the best chance to win...I like Ozzie he has been loyal and he's been great at times but Dom till this year has been the better and more consistant goalie.

P.S. Sorry about the ******* thing, it was a poor attempt at sarcasim and classless on my part....debate on.

[OsGOD 3]

LOLOLOL!!

Would have Ozzie and the wings been able to comeback from a 2-0 series lead vs the Canucks??

Yes Ozzie and the Wings would have beat the blues no doubt there in the second round.

but in the Western conference finals IF Ozzie and the Wings made it that far NO WAY Ozzie backstops us past the Av's man.. NO WAY! lmao!

IDK would our team still include LIDSTROM???? Then yes it would have turned around..

Would Ozzie have let the Sedin Twins fire wicked wristers past him the first two games from the point... who knows...

DOM did NOT turn around that series... faulty logic to think so.

Edited November 26, 2007 by OsGOD

[Booster313 138]

IDK would our team still include LIDSTROM???? Then yes it would have turned around..

Would Ozzie have let the Sedin Twins fire wicked wristers past him the first two games from the point... who knows...

DOM did NOT turn around that series... faulty logic to think so.

I agree with you...Lidstrom's goal from center ice seemed to be the turning point of that series, but Dom did come up with some remarklable performances from that point on.

[OsGOD 3]

I agree with you...Lidstrom's goal from center ice seemed to be the turning point of that series, but Dom did come up with some remarklable performances from that point on.

Well exactly... but i can't 100% be for certain that Ozzie wouldn't have been able to make those same exact saves either... point of fact.. W/O lids shot... SERIES was in the s***ter

[puckloo39 5,686]

I agree with you...Lidstrom's goal from center ice seemed to be the turning point of that series, but Dom did come up with some remarklable performances from that point on.

Some fans don't recall that Hasek was even involved in that Cup win, but I bet the Red Wings know that he was key to getting past round one, and the rest of the way, as well.

Not sure it's worth your time to continue explaining, Booster... but I know what you're talking about.

[dallas27 7]

The goalie always has an impact during the playoffs whether it be good or bad. Same thing with the Lions quarterback. I thought this was common knowledge.

[Salviaman 104]

Dominik Hasek is lazy and he sucks.... and he is old.

[OsGOD 3]

Lions... QB... Playoffs... GET OUT OF HERE? WHEN?

[Grittzkey 1]

99 Lose to the Buc's..

Dom Sucks..

PM Me to Join the Anti Hasek Coalition anybudy and errybudy

[The Noodle 39 14]

IDK would our team still include LIDSTROM???? Then yes it would have turned around..

Would Ozzie have let the Sedin Twins fire wicked wristers past him the first two games from the point... who knows...

DOM did NOT turn around that series... faulty logic to think so.

But he was a key in that series and did make some huge stops. But yes you are right about Lidstrom but i still rest on the fact no chance we get by the Av's with Ozzie. It was a 7 game series and IMO that is way too much pressure for Osgood to play well enough for us to win that series.

Forsberg and Sakic would have obliterated Ozzie lol. Hasek was HUGE in that series and shut out the Av's 2 games in a row which were games 6 and 7.

I will never forget Bob Hartley challenging Dom's stick with a measurement! Hartley and the Av's sealed there fate with that one lol.

[OsGOD 3]

But he was a key in that series and did make some huge stops. But yes you are right about Lidstrom but i still rest on the fact no chance we get by the Av's with Ozzie. It was a 7 game series and IMO that is way too much pressure for Osgood to play well enough for us to win that series.

Forsberg and Sakic would have obliterated Ozzie lol. Hasek was HUGE in that series and shut out the Av's 2 games in a row which were games 6 and 7.

I will never forget Bob Hartley challenging Dom's stick with a measurement! Hartley and the Av's sealed there fate with that one lol.

idk... ozzie plays pretty well in important games... Can't really say if Oz would or wouldn't be able to handle it in that series... nobody thought he would be playing the pants off of Dom this season either... but looky looky.

[gcom007 1,465]

Kozlov was an underachiever at the time, there is no way that Kenny could have known he would turn around his career. I won't say that Ozzie would or wouldn't have won the cup in 02 or beyond. There is no way that any of us could know. I do know that Ozzie had the opportunity in 99, 00, and 01 and couldn't seem to get us there. Not that he lost those series by himself but he wasn't the difference either. Isn't that what you want from a playoff goalie??? In Dom's two post seasons with us he has stolen games we shouldn't have won.

Ozzie is having a hell of a year and if he's the better goalie come playoff time then so be it. Whatever gives us the best chance to win...I like Ozzie he has been loyal and he's been great at times but Dom till this year has been the better and more consistant goalie.

P.S. Sorry about the ******* thing, it was a poor attempt at sarcasm and classless on my part....debate on.

True enough to some extent about Kozlov but he always turned it on in the Playoffs. I do believe Osgood was/is more capable than people give him credit for. I'm not saying he's elite or one of the best but I don't think that diminishes the fact that he's consistently been a pretty great goalie. He's never been flashy and he doesn't attract a ton of attention off the ice, but he's consistently been successful individually on good and bad teams. Consistency is key. That's the thing in my book.

Last year for example, sure, Hasek played some great games in the playoffs but he hardly look phenomenal all the time either and in Game 6 against the Ducks, he really didn't show up in a huge must-win situation. Especially in the 3rd period. When we started gaining steam he let in yet another goal that he should've stopped at all costs let alone the fact that it was a fairly soft goal.

Personally, I don't think Osgood loses that game. He might not steal as many games as Hasek could, but he consistently tends to play well enough to win so if the team shows up, you're in good shape. You don't have to worry so much about Game 6's like the one we got from Hasek. I'm not blaming him, I'm just saying.

There's really something to be said for Osgood's consistency. It's not flashy and it doesn't make the best press usually. But now after a few years with shaky goalies who couldn't handle the stress and watching the oftentimes-lopsided play of Hasek, people are starting to realize this about Osgood. It's interesting because everyone seems so surprised but if you asked Osgood, I think he'd be the first to say that he's not surprised at all. 12 shots or 40, big or small game, post-blowout win or loss, he's consistent. There's a lot to be said for it.

Also, thanks for the apology. I'm definitely glad now I didn't return the favor as I was about to. Never really does any good. No harm though and I truly respect that even on a stupid message board you came out and apologized. Nicely done.

But he was a key in that series and did make some huge stops. But yes you are right about Lidstrom but i still rest on the fact no chance we get by the Av's with Ozzie. It was a 7 game series and IMO that is way too much pressure for Osgood to play well enough for us to win that series.

Forsberg and Sakic would have obliterated Ozzie lol. Hasek was HUGE in that series and shut out the Av's 2 games in a row which were games 6 and 7.

I will never forget Bob Hartley challenging Dom's stick with a measurement! Hartley and the Av's sealed there fate with that one lol.

I think Ozzie's one of the last goalies around that crumbles under pressure. You don't play as many games as he has in a Detroit jersey without the highest tolerance of pressure. You've got to have an extremely high tolerance to get anywhere with this team so given how much he's been through with the team, you're unlikely to find a more steady goalie. Even for him to come back as strong as he did after the game 7 loss in '93. You're 20 years old in your rookie year, you're starting for a Stanley Cup-starved team, it's a game 7...oh yeah, you're playing Detroit, a land that eats goalies and quarterbacks for breakfast with the best of them. He put the final nail in the coffin with his failed-dump play and he still comes back to become the 2nd in all time wins for the Wings as well backstopping the '98 team to the Cup on his own...and he's still not done. If you don't think he can handle pressure, you're kidding yourself.

[gcom007 1,465]

Some fans don't recall that Hasek was even involved in that Cup win, but I bet the Red Wings know that he was key to getting past round one, and the rest of the way, as well.

Not sure it's worth your time to continue explaining, Booster... but I know what you're talking about.

Some fans get way too hung up on a goalie and forget there's a team out there too. They also forget about funny stats like skaters score, team does well in playoffs. Skaters fail to score, team does poorly in playoffs. Every year we've had poor playoff outings it's come down far more to the skaters. This is blatantly obvious looking at the stats.

And '02 especially against the Canucks?!?!

It's almost a disgrace to Yzerman. I'm not saying Hasek didn't play well or didn't help, but what turned that series around was Steve Yzerman. The team including Dom wasn't showing up and Yzerman spoke up and set the wheels in motion to turn things around. The team came out and won. Hasek helped, but if you're going to look at anyone stepping up more than anyone else in that series, it's Steve Yzerman.

You know, sometimes I value your opinions and slants as there's no disputing that Hasek has been one of the great goalies of the game, but other times you're just a starry-eyed fan.

[HomeNugget 2]

Osgood has been a starter his entire career. He came back to Detroit because he loves it here. He was promised a chance to start in '06, but got injured. Last season it was decided before the season began that he would be the back-up. He accepted that role because thats what it took to be a goalie for the Red Wings. This season he got a chance to start because Dom got hurt he has proved despite popular belief, that he still has what it takes to be a successful goalie in the NHL. He knows what it takes to win, we know he can handle the pressure, he's been very patient and he has earned the right to start.

edit: spelling

Edited November 26, 2007 by HomeNugget

[dallas27 7]

Lions... QB... Playoffs... GET OUT OF HERE? WHEN?

Scott Mitchell. Dunno if you are trying to be a smartass or funny. You succeeded at one.

[OsGOD 3]

LoL ... sorry... Lions and playoffs is like Fire and Ice (minus the wings slogan) they just haven't gone together much in my lifetime to notice a correlation with Red Wings Goaltending in the Playoffs... My bad completely.

GO LIONS!