GMRwings1983 8,802 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 I know that all of us here love Steve Yzerman, but I was just wondering where some of you objectively have him ranked on your all time greatest players list? Personally, I have him 9th or 10th on my list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan979802 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) i have him 3rd. Edited July 19, 2007 by wingsfan979802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayUp88 1 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 u r a jrk well that was straight to the point. lol. going into a red wings message board and saying that the Captain is only a number 10 on the list is not a smart move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata40 3 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 i would have to say of ALL time 3rd or 4th, but no less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) Excluding goalies... 1. Gretzky 2. Orr 3. Howe 4. Lemieux 5. Richard 6. Yzerman 7. Esposito 8. Messier 9. Dionne 10. Bourque Edited July 19, 2007 by BeeRYCE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,802 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 well that was straight to the point. lol. going into a red wings message board and saying that the Captain is only a number 10 on the list is not a smart move. I was merely being objective. I love Stevie as much as anybody, but I can't honestly say that he was 3rd or 4th. Besides, there are some idiots out there who have him ranked somewhere around 20 or so. I think that they work for ESPN. I have Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lemieux, Richard, Hull, and Messier ranked ahead of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vincanni 1 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Who the heck do you have that pushes him to 10th? I have him in 5th myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,802 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 I was merely being objective. I love Stevie as much as anybody, but I can't honestly say that he was 3rd or 4th. Besides, there are some idiots out there who have him ranked somewhere around 20 or so. I think that they work for ESPN. I have Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lemieux, Richard, Hull, and Messier ranked ahead of him. Retrospectively looking at my list above, I have him 8th, but still not in the top 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted July 19, 2007 I dont care if this sounds bias. But if we're going by numbers then hands down no one can touch Gretzky. But as in an all around player I put Mr. Steve Yzerman number 1 on my list. Wayne's scoring ability is second to none. But what Yzerman could do defensively was unmatched. Super Mario is also up there with Stevie. But Yzerman could do anything. Scoring goals, perfect passing, a God at faceoffs, extremely defensively sound, and arguably the greatest leader in sports history. Not to mention a Conn Smythe winner and a 3 time Stanley Cup Champion. If there was a fantasy draft and I could pick any player all-time, Yzerman would be my number 1 pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zata40 3 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 I was merely being objective. I love Stevie as much as anybody, but I can't honestly say that he was 3rd or 4th. Besides, there are some idiots out there who have him ranked somewhere around 20 or so. I think that they work for ESPN. I have Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lemieux, Richard, Hull, and Messier ranked ahead of him. Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lemieux, Messier yes, but not hull and richard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) 1. Gordie Howe 2. Maurice Richard 3. Bobby Orr 4. Steve Yzerman 5. Wayne Gretzky Edited July 19, 2007 by kylee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntsVegas Baby 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 I dont care if this sounds bias. But if we're going by numbers then hands down no one can touch Gretzky. But as in an all around player I put Mr. Steve Yzerman number 1 on my list. Wayne's scoring ability is second to none. But what Yzerman could do defensively was unmatched. Super Mario is also up there with Stevie. But Yzerman could do anything. Scoring goals, perfect passing, a God at faceoffs, extremely defensively sound, and arguably the greatest leader in sports history. Not to mention a Conn Smythe winner and a 3 time Stanley Cup Champion. If there was a fantasy draft and I could pick any player all-time, Yzerman would be my number 1 pick. Poetically put. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,802 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lemieux, Messier yes, but not hull and richard Hull and Richard were two of the most feared offensive players in history, even more so than Messier and Yzerman, even though the numbers would show differently. I think Hull scored something like 600 goals before he left the NHL to play in the WHA while he was still in his prime. Otherwise he might have more goals than anyone in history. Both he and Richard revolutionized the game in many ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Lemieux, Messier yes, but not hull and richard If you want to talk about respective eras, Richard is the cream of the crop. The era he played in wasn't meant for 100 point seasons, so on paper in comparison to the greats, he doesn't look great. However, you have to take in consideration, the era he played in. The Habs wouldn't have won as many cups without him. He was the best player of his time, and the toughest too. 1. Gordie Howe 2. Maurice Richard 3. Bobby Orr 4. Steve Yzerman 5. Wayne Gretzky WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DEVILSWATERBOY 10 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) Well here is my top ten Gretzky, Howe, Orr, Messier,Yzerman, Hull, Bourque, Lameieux, Coffey, and Richard I am going to have to put Stevie at #5 for overall performance as for a team leader and a great ambassador for the sport #1 hands down we love ya Stevie and miss seeing you on the ice Edited July 19, 2007 by DEVILSWATERBOY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut22 81 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 I dont care if this sounds bias. But if we're going by numbers then hands down no one can touch Gretzky. But as in an all around player I put Mr. Steve Yzerman number 1 on my list. Wayne's scoring ability is second to none. But what Yzerman could do defensively was unmatched. Super Mario is also up there with Stevie. But Yzerman could do anything. Scoring goals, perfect passing, a God at faceoffs, extremely defensively sound, and arguably the greatest leader in sports history. Not to mention a Conn Smythe winner and a 3 time Stanley Cup Champion. If there was a fantasy draft and I could pick any player all-time, Yzerman would be my number 1 pick. I completely agree with you. As an overall player and face of a team Yzerman has to be ranked number 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) I dont care if this sounds bias. But if we're going by numbers then hands down no one can touch Gretzky. But as in an all around player I put Mr. Steve Yzerman number 1 on my list. Wayne's scoring ability is second to none. But what Yzerman could do defensively was unmatched. Super Mario is also up there with Stevie. But Yzerman could do anything. Scoring goals, perfect passing, a God at faceoffs, extremely defensively sound, and arguably the greatest leader in sports history. Not to mention a Conn Smythe winner and a 3 time Stanley Cup Champion. If there was a fantasy draft and I could pick any player all-time, Yzerman would be my number 1 pick. Im not tryin to be a jerk, becuase i completely agree with you on yzerman's qualities, but unless you can calculate defensive ability and leadership, Wayne Greztky would go first in a fantasy draft. However, if i were starting a team and i could pick anyone in the history of the NHL to build around, i would most definately pick Yzerman. Edited July 19, 2007 by Dano33 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,802 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Well here is my top ten Gretzky, Howe, Orr, Messier,Yzerman, Hull, Bourque, Lameieux, Coffey, and Richard I am going to have to put Stevie at #5 for overall performance as for a team leader and a great ambassador for the sport #1 hands down we love ya Stevie and miss seeing you on the ice How can you have Paul Coffey ranked in the top 10 all time. I have him ranked around 9th or 10th on the greatest defenseman list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 How can you have Paul Coffey ranked in the top 10 all time. I have him ranked around 9th or 10th on the greatest defenseman list. Yeah, Paul Coffey was just a forward playing the point. He didn't even have any defensive awareness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 I think a lot of people are jumping on people who are just trying to be objective. For me, the top ten skaters are this. #1 Wayne Gretzky #2 Bobby Orr #3 Gordie Howe #4 Mario Lemieux #5 Marcel Dionne #6 Maurice Richard #7 Mark Messier #8 Steve Yzerman #9 Mike Bossy #10 Ray Bourque Im not tryin to be a jerk, becuase i completely agree with you on yzerman's qualities, but unless you can calculate defensive ability and leadership, Wayne Greztky would go first in a fantasy draft. However, if i were starting a team and i could pick anyone in the history of the NHL to build around, i would most definately pick Yzerman. I would pick Gretzky, Orr, and Howe before I would even think about drafting Yzerman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Yzerman is my favorite player of all time however I don't rank him #1 of all time. Because as said by some one else you cannot calculate leadership and defensive abilities into stats. Gretzky Orr Howe Lemieux Hull, Bobby not Brett Richard Yzerman Esposito Dionne Bourque Let me tell you in my mind the rankings I think aren't up for grabs are Grets and Orr, everyone else I think an argument can be made for sliding them up or down a couple of spots they were all that good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) 8th all time in goals 7th all time assists 6th all time in points 3 Stanley Cups Olympic gold medal Lester B. Pearson Conn Smythe Selke Masterton Arguably the best captain to play the game, easily one of the top two. Yzerman was one of the greats, but honestly I still couldn't see placing him anywhere above #5. Edited July 19, 2007 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 8th all time in goals 7th all time assists 6th all time in points 3 Stanley Cups Olympic gold medal Lester B. Pearson Conn Smythe Selke Masterton Arguably the best captain to play the game, easily one of the top two. Yzerman was one of the greats, but honestly I still couldn't see placing him anywhere above #5. Messier is the best captain in nhl history. Yzerman is 2nd best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 19, 2007 Messier is the best captain in nhl history. Yzerman is 2nd best. That's why I said arguably. Because honestly I think a case could be made that Yzerman was better than Mess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites