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Came here to say this.

No kigo.

What is that defending from Green? Either the man gets past you or the puck gets past you. Not both.

Peak Wings.

SHOOT THE PUCK.

Then they should change 1.) what calls are reviewable, 2.) number of challenges, and 3.) how long it takes referees to review calls.

Is the NHL okay? What a stupid rule, that failing a challenge is a penalty. Why even have bench challenges then?

Great play! Good response to going behind. Edit: Typical Wings, immediately give up a penalty.

Wings are still asleep. They look totally surprised every time the puck gets close to them.

As someone who primarily watches soccer, I am utterly baffled that a player can be penalised for fouling a player who was himself penalised for diving.

That powerplay sure was... something.

What the f*** was that PP unit?

Not to derail the thread further but they, along with the other Uralic language groups, probably* originated from Siberia/the Urals. They went relatively south, the Finns etc. went north. It's a little less weird if you look at a different map projection: Edit: You get an event in the game Crusader Kings II about the settlement of the Magyars in current-day Hungary, so I read about this stuff before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_conquest_of_the_Carpathian_Basin tl;dr everyone is from everywhere

But that is the least likely outcome. You can't do serious long-term planning for a team based around literal chance. Yzerman has to make choices now based around the roster now and the prospects in the system now.

(Great post, sorry to extract just the last bit to respond to.) The big question, as I see it, is: does making the playoffs this season improve our long-term chances of being a consistently competitive hockey team? where "competitive" = challenging for Stanley Cups.

Wait, what?

And fewer assets. What 'advantage' does a still-rebuilding team get from 'one more year of him be younger'? If management is convinced he wants to come to Detroit, they'll wait for him.

It seems to me that "hype and expectations" are a very bad metric by which to assess the success/failure of young players. The pick is gone. The only thing that matters at this point is obtaining maximum return out of the player who is now in the system. In some cases that might mean getting a trade return while the player is still overvalued based on the hype!, but other than that it makes no difference where a player was "projected" to play. You turn them into the best player they can become, because that is what is best for the team. Draftees not reaching their projected potential is in most cases pure chaos and beyond that an issue with scouting/recruitment, not the individual. The only way a player can truly "bust", imo, is if they never make it to the NHL level - which I believe is a point only you are making ("30% chance"). This is the same argument people have about AA: "we thought he would be X and he's Y!" Who cares? You have Y player. Use him. If he's not useful, get rid of him. But until you do that's still a playing asset. (Players getting fat contracts based solely on hype! is the other possible negative outcome, but again that's an institutional issue, not a player issue.) (Edit: Also, player output at the ages of 18/19 is almost certainly not a reliable indicator of where they will be in 1, 3, 5, 8, etc. years.)

Not to cherry pick this conversation, but tbf that seems like a good way for a coach to end up without a job... Happens in every sport. If the players quit on you it's your job on the line, not theirs.

Try not to sound so gleeful.

Think of it this way: would you rather that the young players who will be taking over the mantle in the next year or two be showing no signs that they can actually deliver? If things really were that dire-- if we were so utterly devoid of talent and spark, however inconsistent-- then drafting first vs. fifth was never going to make the difference in turning this team around. At least this way you have a budding framework that you can build around and coherently plan on dropping some good draft talent into.

FFS, it's not like he went un-drafted. Or is everyone taken in the second round or later a "doubt" to make it professionally?

It's been my suspicion (hope?) for a while that as the season goes on our overall lack of talent will begin to show. We're keeping games close, which is good, but really we're not ready to compete for anything yet. We were starting to ask too many quiet questions about sneaking into the playoffs lately. Back down to earth and back down into the lottery conversation is totally fine.